Somebody help me...

Originally posted by FMF
If by "both ways" you mean that I was "both" [1] a Christian during one part of my life and then [2] an ex-Christian during this more recent part of my life, then both these things are true and we can agree upon this.

No we do not agree, you made claims you now say are not true about the
Lord. So what was it you left, you left a false claim that you knew the Lord.
Again, had it been real that would be something else, had you admitted
what you had was false that too would be something else.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No we do not agree, you made claims you now say are not true about the
Lord. So what was it you left, you left a false claim that you knew the Lord.
Again, had it been real that would be something else, had you admitted
what you had was false that too would be something else.
Kelly

Twenty years ago you and I were both Christians. My beliefs have changed in the meantime, while you are still a Christian. When I was a Christian, my Christian beliefs were sincerely held and were not "false claims". Nothing you can say now can alter the fact that I was a Christian in the past. Nothing you can say about my beliefs in the past can characterize me as a "liar" when I was a Christian.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Persons can not lose their salvation once Jesus saves them. If a person claims he is saved, that is just an opinion. If a person claims he is unsaved, that is also just an opinion.

Claiming you are saved is just an opinion
Claiming you are unsaved is just an opinion.

The FACT is that ONLY JESUS CHRIST knows who is saved or unsaved [which you implied]

What is the point then of making either claim in the first place?
Would it not be best to just shut up about it ?

In the case here of FMF he is just saying that he was a Christian. I cannot remember him saying anything about being saved or otherwise.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No we do not agree, you made claims you now say are not true about the
Lord. So what was it you left, you left a false claim that you knew the Lord.
Again, had it been real that would be something else, had you admitted
what you had was false that too would be something else.
Kelly

Did FMF say he knew the Lord? or are those your words?

Originally posted by FMF
Twenty years ago you and I were both Christians. My beliefs have changed in the meantime, while you are still a Christian. When I was a Christian, my Christian beliefs were sincerely held and were not "false claims". Nothing you can say now can alter the fact that I was a Christian in the past. Nothing you can say about my beliefs in the past can characterize me as a "liar" when I was a Christian.

Did you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, did God give you His Holy
Spirit, yes or no? Do not give me the you had beliefs, I'm asking you a
point blank yes or no questions!
Kelly

Originally posted by Rajk999
Did FMF say he knew the Lord? or are those your words?

FMF doesn't go there, he has compared himself to everyone who claims
to be Christian, and when I pressed him on what that meant, he changed
his tune.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Did you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, did God give you His Holy
Spirit, yes or no? Do not give me the you had beliefs, I'm asking you a
point blank yes or no questions!

When I was a Christian, these are things I used to believe, yes.

Originally posted by FMF
When I was a Christian, these are things I used to believe, yes.

I did not ask you that now did I? I put it to you if it really happened to you?
If you want to say you believed it now believe it to be not true, that would
be honest! If you want to say God did it, and I left that would be honest!
What you are doing now is trying to have it both ways.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
FMF doesn't go there, he has compared himself to everyone who claims
to be Christian, and when I pressed him on what that meant, he changed
his tune.
Kelly

The problem with that is there are many different meanings to the expression to know the Lord. Maybe you can define what you mean.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The problem with that is there are many different meanings to the expression to know the Lord. Maybe you can define what you mean.

It is very clear English, if you want to define it a couple of different ways
by all means, I don't feel the need.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I did not ask you that now did I? I put it to you if it really happened to you?

I believed it really happened to me when I was a Christian just as you believe it is really happening to you now.

Originally posted by FMF
I believed it really happened to me when I was a Christian just as you believe it is really happening to you now.

You do not have a clue what I believe, when I put it to you backed away!
Yes or no, do you now feel that what you had was FALSE?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you want to say you believed it now believe it to be not true, that would be honest!

You do not have a clue what I believe, when I put it to you backed away! Yes or no, do you now feel that what you had was FALSE?
Kelly

Well I am not a Christian any more if that's what you are getting at.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I am not a Christian any more if that's what you are getting at.

No, that is not what I'm getting at! I'm asking you a very simple question,
and you refuse to answer it! When you claimed you were a Christian, do
you now believe that you had was false? You seem more than fine
saying, you are not a Christian any more, so it should be a yes or no
answer.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You do not have a clue what I believe, when I put it to you backed away!

I base my impressions of what you believe on the content of many of the 15,000 plus posts you have made on this web site, mostly on the tropic of your beliefs. Have you really been giving people "no clue" about your beliefs all this time.