Someone please explain evolution to me

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Proof that this wasn;t the work of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. btw, rotating cilia are only in microbe. We have cilia that make a 'sweeping motion'.

Has an Encyclopedia Britanica ever fallen from space? No? Never? Bad analogy!

I never said that something came from nothing. There was plenty of 'stuff' here on earth when it first came ...[text shortened]... believe that before all the matter, there was just energy, since the two are interchangable.

Did I just read you correctly. Did you actually say, "There was plenty of 'stuff' here on earth when it first came into existance." That's circular thinking. There wasn't anything. Time, space and material were made out of "nothing." God who is timeless, all powerful and all knowing did that. Who else or what else could do that? Who can transcend time? Get real. hehe Jesus is Lord man! If you have "nothing," something or someone had to create it! Get rid of all those high school science books you are holding. They're all full of lies. LOL

Originally posted by powershaker
Well, the Cambrian explosion supposedly occurred millions of years ago - supposedly. During the Cambrian period you had an immediate infusion of millions of animals and species. Scientists cannot explain through evolution how all of these advanced species could suddenly appear in a very short span of time. According to Darwin, species were suppose to ...[text shortened]... thing." It has to have a catalyst, someone who is timeless, all powerful and all knowing.

You ARE nuts!

The Cambrian 'explosion' happened over a period of about a several (about 50) million years! We CAN explain this very easily. As soon as multicellularity came about (with the rise in atmospheric O2 conc.), the first mulitcellular organisms were presented with a huge variety of potential niches. Mutation and selection ensued and this led to a diversity of forms (most of which are still extant) and life habits developing over a (relatively) short period of time.

Also, it's pretty easy to get fruit flies to do whatever you want. Current four-winged varieties (created in a lab) exist.

Originally posted by powershaker
I don't think they would, because only Jesus Christ saves us from our sins. He's the only Messiah, the one who rose from the dead on the third day. He's the only one who conquered death and was God in the flesh. He is the only one who saved us from Hell. There is no other! He is the only one, Immanuel. For God is truly with us and always has been.

Nope, it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Definately.

And now we;re at an impasse. You cannot disprove what I say, and I cannot disprove what you say.

Originally posted by powershaker
Did I just read you correctly. Did you actually say, "There was plenty of 'stuff' here on earth when it first came into existance." That's circular thinking. There wasn't anything. Time, space and material were made out of "nothing." God who is timeless, all powerful and all knowing did that. Who else or what else could do that? Who can transcend ...[text shortened]... f all those high school science books you are holding. They're all full of lies. LOL

How is that fact that there was plently of stuff (atoms, molecules, energy, water) for organisms to evolve from circular thinking?

As I say, no-one knows why the big bang happened, it just did. When it happened, everything was created. And before you ask, there was no 'before', because time didn't exist.

And I don't have any high school books in my hand, although my PhD certificate (in Plant Science) is sitting on the self in front of me.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
You ARE nuts!

The Cambrian 'explosion' happened over a period of about a several (about 50) million years! We CAN explain this very easily. As soon as multicellularity came about (with the rise in atmospheric O2 conc.), the first mulitcellular organisms were presented with a huge variety of potential niches. Mutation and selection ensued and this l ...[text shortened]... fruit flies to do whatever you want. Current four-winged varieties (created in a lab) exist.

Also, it's pretty easy to get fruit flies to do whatever you want. Current four-winged varieties (created in a lab) exist.

Except evolve into bees or moths or whatever they're meant to do in theory. Evolutionary scientists have been doing experiments on fruit flies for close to a hundred years. The best thing they could manage is add two more wings. Great! That's not even new genetic information, just duplication of what's already there.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
You ARE nuts!

The Cambrian 'explosion' happened over a period of about a several (about 50) million years! We CAN explain this very easily. As soon as multicellularity came about (with the rise in atmospheric O2 conc.), the first mulitcellular organisms were presented with a huge variety of potential niches. Mutation and selection ensued and this l fruit flies to do whatever you want. Current four-winged varieties (created in a lab) exist.

No, they couldn't have happened, because the Cambrian explosion could have occurred in a single day, and that rules out the high school material you're using there. 🙂 Sorry! All you're spitting out is what men have already said, and they have been found to be wrong. Vein assumptions. The fossil record doesn't support any of it. It's all intellectualized garbage that eventually equates to: "Uhhh Duhhh I don't know! It just happened!" I say God! You say, "Uhhh Duhh I don't know. I think it just happened this way. This is what the textbook says! DuhhH!" HAHA!

Originally posted by powershaker
No, they couldn't have happened, because the Cambrian explosion could have occurred in a single day, and that rules out the high school material you're using there. 🙂 Sorry! All you're spitting out is what men have already said, and they have been found to be wrong. Vein assumptions. The fossil record doesn't support any of it. It's all intellectual ...[text shortened]... w. I think it just happened this way. This is what the textbook says! DuhhH!" HAHA!

So god faked the isotopic data which proves it was 500 million years ago? Just for us? Wasn't that forward thinking of him!

Originally posted by scottishinnz
How is that fact that there was plently of stuff (atoms, molecules, energy, water) for organisms to evolve from circular thinking?

As I say, no-one knows why the big bang happened, it just did. When it happened, everything was created. And before you ask, there was no 'before', because time didn't exist.

And I don't have any high school books in ...[text shortened]... hand, although my PhD certificate (in Plant Science) is sitting on the self in front of me.

Because any physicist will tell you that NOTHING existed! 🙂 They'll say "quantum physics" had "something" made out of "nothing." But, there was absolutely NOTHING! Don't you get it? After the BIG BANG! God says BANG! And, there it all was. But, according to you "something" did exist before "nothing" existed, which is IMPOSSIBLE. Because, not time, not space, not anything existed. Even Steven Hawking will say that. His answer: "quantum mechanics." But, who created the "quantum vaccuum?" Everything that comes from "nothing" and becomes "something" originally existed inside the "quantum vaccuum" if you'd believe this theory. But, still, that's "something!" LOL! See? So, what was the catalyst that created it all? Even the "quantum vaccuum" has a creator. What is it? Who is it? He must be timeless! He's GOD!

Originally posted by dj2becker
[b]Dj, axioms are not meant to be proven. They are starting assumptions. So the "can't prove a universal negative" approach doesn't fit.

Cool. So I have the following axiom: God exists and is the creator of the universe. I guess I don't have to prove it then. 😏[/b]

Exactly.

Now that doesn't mean any of us think your axiom is reasonable, but like Noah said to God, "Whatever floats your boat."

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Nope, it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Definately.

And now we;re at an impasse. You cannot disprove what I say, and I cannot disprove what you say.

True. But, there's one thing left to add. What I believe - the same thing you can't disprove - changed my life. Made me quit drinking, doing drugs. Filled my heart with love. Showed me my life does have a purpose! And, showed me that God loves me and you. 🙂

Originally posted by powershaker
I don't think they would, because only Jesus Christ saves us from our sins. He's the only Messiah, the one who rose from the dead on the third day. He's the only one who conquered death and was God in the flesh. He is the only one who saved us from Hell. There is no other! He is the only one, Immanuel. For God is truly with us and always has been.

I sincerely hope for your sake that you have not lived more than 13-years on this planet.

Originally posted by powershaker
True. But, there's one thing left to add. What I believe - the same thing you can't disprove - changed my life. Made me quit drinking, doing drugs. Filled my heart with love. Showed me my life does have a purpose! And, showed me that God loves me and you. 🙂

Oh I see. So you messed up your brain on chemicals and found Jesus. Ok, now I do feel sorry for you.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
So god faked the isotopic data which proves it was 500 million years ago? Just for us? Wasn't that forward thinking of him!

That measurement is wrong. No one can prove within astronomical certainty that it is that old. I think you might want to research how they measure something's age in science. Pretty much a sham. Go to "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel, and it will answer all your questions. Even more questions than you're asking me right now. Read that book and then you'll say, "WOW!" You just might find salvation through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 🙂

Originally posted by Halitose
[b]Also, it's pretty easy to get fruit flies to do whatever you want. Current four-winged varieties (created in a lab) exist.

Except evolve into bees or moths or whatever they're meant to do in theory. Evolutionary scientists have been doing experiments on fruit flies for close to a hundred years. The best thing they could manage is add two more win ...[text shortened]... s. Great! That's not even new genetic information, just duplication of what's already there.[/b]

Look, I'm going to say this REALLY slowly for you.

Life has existed on earth for 4,000,000,000 years. 100 years represents 0.0000025% of that time. Pretty short, huh? Also, as I've stated over and over again, solely for your benefit Hal, evolution would be expected to happen slower when most niches in the world are full (like now, as opposed to after a mass extinction event). Look up 'steady state population dynamics in ecology'.

You want to know why we don't see the changes on a day to day basis? Well, imagine a cinema film. It doesn't move, all the pictures on the celluloid remain the same. Each picture is slightly different than the one before, and when they're shown in quick succession one after the other they appear to move. Our brain makes inferrences about the fact that intermediate positions exist, and that the actor does not move in a one-frame-at-a-time-jerky-o-vision manner. The same is true of evolution. All of human history is simply one of those frames. Through paleontology we can have some idea (although not perfect) of the frames that preceeded us.

However the next few millenia should be good viewing considering the damage we're doing to the planet right now.

Originally posted by powershaker
Because any physicist will tell you that NOTHING existed! 🙂 They'll say "quantum physics" had "something" made out of "nothing." But, there was absolutely NOTHING! Don't you get it? After the BIG BANG! God says BANG! And, there it all was. But, according to you "something" did exist before "nothing" existed, which is IMPOSSIBLE. Because, not tim ...[text shortened]... creator. What is it? Who is it? He must be timeless! He's GOD!

About the "quantum vacuum":

G'mork -If you come any closer I will rip you to shreds.
Atreju - Who are you?
G'mork - I am G'mork. And you, whoever you are can have the honor of being my last victim.
Atreju - I will not die easily. I am a warrior.
G'mork - Ha! Brave warrior, then fight the Nothing.
Atreju - But I can't! I can't get beyond the boundaries of Fantasia.
G'mork - Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!
Atreju - What's so funny about that?
G'mork - Fantasia has no boundaries. Ha, ha.
Atreju - That's not true! You're lying!
G'mork - Foolish boy. Don't you know anything about Fantasia? It's the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefore it has no boundaries.
Atreju - But why is Fantasia dying then?
G'mork - Because people have begun to lose their hopes and forget their dreams so the Nothing grows stronger.
Atreju - What is the Nothing?
G'mork - It's the emptiness that's left. It is like a despair destroying this world and I've been trying to help it.
Atreju - But why?
G'mork - Because people who have no hopes are easy to control and whoever has the control has the power.