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@divegeester
I understand Divegeester.
The one man gathering of "Me, Myself, and I" resents that a group of Christians should have in common riches of truth to enjoy in a corporate way.
If something is enjoyed by many it has to be suspect.
You have to be suspicious of anything not ruthlessly individualistic and independent.
I understand.
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13.)
We are exhorted many times to give thanks. Using the mouth is allowed to Rajk999's dismay and to Divegeester's suspicion of "group think".
"Cry out, give praise and say, O Jehovah, save Your people, the remnant of Israel." (Jer. 31:7)
Too bad such worship threatens Divegeester's precious sense of individuality.
14.) God commands His people to call out to Him for great and inscrutable truths as blessings.
Call to Me, and I will answer you and tell you great and inscrutable things, you do not know them" (Jer. 33:3)
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15.) The prophet Ezekiel not only cried out to God but fell on his face doing so. You do what you need to do if you really want to touch God with your whole being.
"Then I fell on my face and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord Jehovah!" (Ezek. 11:13)
I'm opened completely to one day needing perhaps to call with my mouth and fall down showing God I mean business.
Better not do it Divegeester until you get copyrights to the action or write for permission from somewhere.
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16.)
When you are in the lowest pit calling with your MOUTH to God will help, if you call in truth with a fully opened heart.
"I called on Your name, O Jehovah, out of the lowest pit." (Lamentations 3:55)
In the lowest state you can call "O Lord Jesus. O Lord Jesus".
But you need not WAIT until your down there.
17.) But God the Holy Spirit will draw near to your heart on the day you call in truth.
"You drew near in the day I called on You." (Lam. 3:57)
Ie. O Lord Jesus draw near to me. Lord Jesus ... draw near to me Lord."
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You don't have to be discouraged by the "mouth police" here.
18.) God says to His people to open their mouths WIDE and He will fill it. This is my experience. You open your heart, you stir up your praying spirit, and you OPEN YOUR MOUTH WIDE to the Lord Jesus. God will come to fill you with His presence.
"I am Jehovah your God, Who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.
Open your mouth wide, and I will fill it." (Psalm 81:10)
Oh, go ahead and borrow the passage! God won't mind if you apply it to TODAY.
Open your heart and open your mouth wide to the Lord Jesus the Savior.
"O Lord Jesus, I OPEN my whole being to You Lord."
God will copy and paste His Son into your heart.
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Of course at the soccer game or the basketball game everyone shouts and uses their mouths a lot.
But if the Bible encourages you to speak to God just a whisper, let alone a shout, that's suspect.
19.) No man can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit.
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking in the Spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed; and no one can say, Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:30)
Instead of raking your brain to figure out ways to deny this, why not call O Lord Jesus, my Lord Jesus. Lord Jesus I receive You thanking God for your spirit and your mouth.
The New Testament urges us to be with those who CALL on the name of the Lord Jesus out of a pure heart.
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"But flee youthful lust, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart." (2 Tim. 2:22)
This is a kind of spiritual chicken and egg matter. You call on the Lord Jesus out of a single and pure heart to touch God. And calling on the Lord Jesus renders you a single and dedicated pure heart to touch God.
It is hard to tell which comes first. Call on Jesus with your mouth from a pure heart. And call on Jesus with your mouth to obtain a pure heart.
Amen.
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Discussing politics or theological doctrinal matters can quickly and easily lead to divisions of opinions.
21.) Praise and thanksgiving with the mouth can usher Christians into oneness and peace - long-suffering, forbearance with one another and joy. Suddenly what really matters if touching the living God in spirit.
"Now the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to be of the same mind toward one another according to Christ Jesus,
That with one accord you may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore receive one another, as Christ also received you to the glory of God." (Rom. 15:5-7)
Notice Paul did not just say glorify in one heart but with one MOUTH.
In praising sometimes what seemed so important is superseded by the encouraging presence of God in worship.
@sonship saidYour lifting of material created by other people and posting in here as your own has always been a discredit to you ana the material, but now you are just repeating yourself.
@divegeester
I understand Divegeester.
The one man gathering of "Me, Myself, and I" resents that a group of Christians should have in common riches of truth to enjoy in a corporate way.
If something is enjoyed by many it has to be suspect.
You have to be suspicious of anything not ruthlessly individualistic and independent.
I understand.
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Your lifting of material created by other people and posting in here as your own has always been a discredit to you ana the material, but now you are just repeating yourself.
You THINK that I cannot speak anything out of my own experience.
And you seem to THINK that to repeat what others say is wrong.
Both assumptions are wrong. It offends the individualistic "church of Divegeester's Me, Myself, and I " I don't know what kind of trophy you think awaits you for originality. Which I wish you really had.
Anyway, there are rich things of the ministry we are exhorted to lay before the brothers that we may be good minister of Christ to people.
"If you lay these things before the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, being nourished with the words of the faith and of the good teaching which you have closely followed." ( 1 Tim. 4:6)
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Folks, if Divegeester imagines that I cannot write anything garnered from my own experience with Jesus, so be it. I'll just have to endure that misunderstanding.
And if Divegeester thinks I should be ashamed somehow that before I laid something before hungry Christians and seeking unbelievers, someone ELSE or many others did, that also is too bad.
I just want to serve people with Christ - "a good minister of Christ Jesus".
Divegeester seems to be gnashing his teeth there in the dark because he wants 100% originality.
Divegeester, I wish to "Lay these things before the brothers". You put before us what you want to lay out there.
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@sonship
"Be still and know that I AM" is a pretty good one for the silent column.
"Abide in me and I in you" could be another. If God is yappy, He is not yappy as you and I are yappy. I mean, it could be said that was a pretty lavish and luxurious and variegated "Behold" he laid out there, which is still reverberating and flourishing and developing.
But for the mouth-worship column, in pop culture we also have Stevie Wonder's "Have a Talk with God", and the title of a horror novel by Douglas Clegg: "You Come When I Call You." 😉
In the Jewish tradition (maybe specifically Hasidic) there is a story of a poor, semi-literate man who feels embarrassed about the kind of prayers he could offer to God. The Rebbe reassures him, "God would be pleased just to hear you recite your ABCs."
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@sonship said@sonship, I believe you, but I can also imagine a movie scene, with you in your tent in a desert, where a visitor @divegeester lays out some beetles and scorpions -- but there's a turnaround here, because what he has to offer is closer to the widow's mite. See?
Folks, if Divegeester imagines that I cannot write anything garnered from my own experience with Jesus, so be it. I'll just have to endure that misunderstanding.
And if Divegeester thinks I should be ashamed somehow that before I laid something before hungry Christians and seeking unbelievers, someone ELSE or many others did, that also is too bad.
I just want to serve ...[text shortened]... to "Lay these things before the brothers". You put before us what you want to lay out there.
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"Be still and know that I AM" is a pretty good one for the silent column.
I was wondering when someone would refer to that. That's from Psalm 46:10
I love that Psalm. But I think there the exhortation to "Be still and know that I am God" is more in the context of the angry nations awaiting divine judgment. Read the whole of the Psalm again.
While this being still and being silent has its place, the context I think it gathering to be judged by God. I have been talking about coming to God in love for communion and fellowship, for enjoyment and blessing.
Look again at the context.
"The nations rage; the kingdoms are moved. He utters His voice; the earth melts. Jehovah of hosts is with us; The God of Jacob our retreat. Come, see the works of Jehovah, How He has made desolations on earth.
He makes wars cease unto the end of the earth;
He breaks the bow and cuts the spear to pieces.
He burns the war wagon with fire.
Be still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations; I will be exalted on earth.
(vs. 6-10)
This is mostly about being still and shutting up because God is coming to judge the sinful earth. I think this keeping quiet has a different expectation of God coming to judge.
Calling out to the Lord Jesus with the mouth and praying spirit is predicated really on knowing that judgment for sin has ALREADY taken place on the cross of His redemption. I draw near in love without fear and call because of forgiveness has graciously been secured.
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In the Jewish tradition (maybe specifically Hasidic) there is a story of a poor, semi-literate man who feels embarrassed about the kind of prayers he could offer to God. The Rebbe reassures him, "God would be pleased just to hear you recite your ABCs."
I disagree with that rabbi.
Any HONEST opening of the heart to God is accepted.
God knows the meaning of the words behind the presence or absence of eloquence.
"I am not a poet or a trained clergyman, So I cannot pray" is exactly the opposite of what the Scriptures encourage.
This is the damage of the clergy / laity system. You think you need a "professional" to go to God on your behalf instead of you.
Now I would advise people to come with honesty, but reverance.
I would say come to speak to God with candidness, but with thanksgiving.
Come with frank and utter honestly yet with some praise.
You see, Christ exceeds all out desires. He is too great for our needs.
And God exceeds our problems though to us they are quite pressing.
So with our honest opening of the heart of exactly how we feel, we should not fail to include thanks for what He has done in the past. And we should include praise showing trust and understanding that He has dealt with billions of cases many of which were more pressing then what you may be going through.
I have found this approach very effective.
@caesar-salad saidSonship has a proven track record of presenting other writer’s work as his own.
@sonship, I believe you