Spirituality

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If truth does exist, would it matter if people did not believe it?

If you act on the truth or ignore the truth, it certainly matters.

Originally posted by whodey
If you act on the truth or ignore the truth, it certainly matters.

I would certainly hope so. Seems Badwater either believes in relative truth or doesn't care about universal truth.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I would certainly hope so. Seems Badwater either believes in relative truth or doesn't care about universal truth.

Is gravity real? After all, I can't see it, I can't touch it, I can't measure it.

Dunno, guess I will jump off the bridge to find out.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If truth does exist, would it matter if people did not believe it?

Do we act on what is true, or on what we believe is true?

If we act on what we believe is true and find it was untrue does that cause us to question what led us to believe the untruth?

Originally posted by whodey
Is gravity real? I can't measure it.

Yes, american education is terrible isn't it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If truth does exist, would it matter if people did not believe it?

Of course truth exists. Whether it matters that people believe it, depends on which particular truth. Whether you believe the 1000th digit of pi is a particular number is typically not going to matter that much.

Originally posted by whodey
Is gravity real? After all, I can't see it, I can't touch it, I can't measure it.

Dunno, guess I will jump off the bridge to find out.

Step on a scale. Weight is a measure of gravity.

Originally posted by Badwater...
The spiritual and the anti-spiritual both suffer from the same lack of fact. Both seem to not be able to say "I don't know." Can you assert that there is a "god?" Can you assert that there is not a "god?" No, of course you can't - which ironically places both believer and atheist on the same path. You are blinded to the other, but also inexorably attached to the other, Do you really not see the irony?...

You conflate spirituality with religion.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If truth does exist, would it matter if people did not believe it?

Not for Trump voters

Originally posted by sonship
So the topic is [b]Spirituality. Fine. Lets' see how we can work this exchange into Badwater's subject.

What a disingenuous question.

It is a question to get things out in the open.
The clergy / laity system has not been good for the flourishing of spirituality all that much.

It puts TOO much pressure on some members of the ...[text shortened]... of consecration. One dealing is for one believer and another is tailored for another believer.[/b]

So why the disingenuous question? Why pretend that you don't even know what the word means?

Originally posted by sonship
Come on FMF. After me laboring on that long reply, come back now with your customary innuendo-ed few. See if you can get a zinger in there in under 20 words.

Does the ideological sneering demonstrated by your first post on this thread apply to all of the billion (or more) Christians whose belief in Christ is exercised in a way not in accordance with your particular dogmatic preferences?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Of course truth exists. Whether it matters that people believe it, depends on which particular truth. Whether you believe the 1000th digit of pi is a particular number is typically not going to matter that much.

If I believe something to be true and you don't and I give you reasons why I find that belief to be compelling, you should surely be able to tell me on what basis you reject the reasons I have given you. Saying you don't find them compelling is a cop out in my opinion. Surely there has to be a reason why you don't find them compelling that you are aware of.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If I believe something to be true and you don't and I give you reasons why I find that belief to be compelling, you should surely be able to tell me on what basis you reject the reasons I have given you. Saying you don't find them compelling is a cop out in my opinion. Surely there has to be a reason why you don't find them compelling that you are aware of.

This seems to be a new variant on an old ripcord question. I wonder how many hundreds of times you are going to ask it in the weeks ahead. 😕

[i]Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk to twhitehead/i]
If I believe something to be true and you don't and I give you reasons why I find that belief to be compelling, you should surely be able to tell me on what basis you reject the reasons I have given you.

Why does the fact that you just so happen to find something to be compelling create such an obligation for twhitehead?