@secondson saidIs this stuff you've typed "spiritual muscle"?
You call yourself a Christian, yet you wouldn't know your way around the Bible if your life depended on it, which is why, when the opportunity arises for you to back your claims, you cut and run with your trite little quips.
You're a fake and a phony divegeester. All you do in this forum is criticize, ridicule and insult Bible believing Christians, and not once have you ...[text shortened]... ith those outside the faith.
You are nothing more than a childish, immature and adolescent troll.
@divegeester saidAgain you have revealed your ignorance.
I don’t expect you to agree with me and I couldn’t care less what “most people regard” in terms of the Godhead.
In the bible it says this many many times:
Hear oh Israel the Lord you God is ONE.
Nowhere in the bible, not once, ever, does it say:
Here oh Israel the Lord your God is THREE distinct persons in one.
Funny that.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
You can't even quote it correctly. And it doesn't say that but once, not "many many times".
And you have absolutely no idea what it means, and I doubt you have the attention span necessary to learn it either.
You should be embarrassed showing off how little you know while trying to sound as if you know anything.
It takes approximately 70 hours to read through the Bible. Considering all the hours you spend in this forum spouting troll bile you could read it in a month. Take a year off and go learn something.
@secondson saidI’m not the one who embarrassed himself when you cited that verse from Mathew as being literal, when it was in an entire chapter of metaphors.
Again you have revealed your ignorance.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
You can't even quote it correctly. And it doesn't say that but once, not "many many times".
And you have absolutely no idea what it means, and I doubt you have the attention span necessary to learn it either.
You should be embarrassed showing off how little you ...[text shortened]... this forum spouting troll bile you could read it in a month. Take a year off and go learn something.
@secondson saidBecause “spiritual muscle” is your hubristic, albeit inadvertent, way of revealling that you are probably just a bit of a bully-boy in your little church of the elderly and youthful who mistake your blowhardiness for spiritual seniority. I’ve met dozens of churchy tough-guys just like you Joseph, and you are all out the same predictable objectionable mould.
Remember FMF, you don't believe in anything supernatural, so why concern yourself with matters outside your arena?
@secondson saidI don’t toe the partisan line, yes I agree.
I take it, BillyBob, you don't know what you're talking about, and even if you did you wouldn't have the compositional skill set or enough accurate knowledge of the Word of God to communicate effectively any of the corrupted ideas you have about what is or isn't sound biblical doctrine.
You call yourself a Christian, yet you wouldn't know your way around the Bible if you ...[text shortened]... ith those outside the faith.
You are nothing more than a childish, immature and adolescent troll.
I will answer no more of your questions until you enequivocally answer mine.
I'm pretty sure you HAVE NO ANSWER for the last question.
Nowhere does the Bible say Christ will put OFF the humanity with which He was incarnated. He is God-man forever - for the duration of His "eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Pet.1:11)
Now you just need a handy excuse for not getting an answer to us.
I will answer no more of your questions until you [unequivocally] answer mine.
@sonship saidThen as I’ve said many times, please feel free to take up my “question challenge” in a new thread.
@divegeester
I'm pretty sure you HAVE NO ANSWER for the last question.
The only rule is that if asked for a yes or no response then one MUST be given.
As you feel so confident, do you accept my challenge? 🙂
@sonship saidThought that would scare you off!The only rule is that if asked for a yes or no response then one MUST be given.
The real important points can be made without asking questions.
Christ as the eternal Son of God, is " a Priest forever" (Heb. 7:17) ... period.
I don't need to play your game of "gotcha!" questions to show that.
If that’s correct then stop asking me them then.
Forum comedy gold. 😆
The Eternal Son.
After the millennial kingdom is described in Revelation 21 and 22. The city of New Jerusalem is seen as the Bride of Christ. That is the romantic counterpart of the Son of God. How then can the Son of God not be eternal.
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more.
And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, PREPARED AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND." (Rev. 1:1,2)
This is a marriage of the Son of God and His redeemed people forever. How can Divegeester teach that the Son, (her Husband) , is in any way terminated in what He is ?
He'll need something more than tricky word games to refute this marriage between ALL the saved as New Jerusalem and her Husband, Jesus Christ the Son of God.
The Eternal Son
Not only is the New Jerusalem to marry the Son as her Husband. But when God says old things are passed away, He does not include the Son of God.
"And He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor paun - they shall be no more, for the former things have passed away." (Rev. 21:4)
One of the things which Divegeester teaches will be of the former things to be no more is the Son of God in His office. We don't see God saying the Son of God will be no more. Nor do we see Him being part of "the former things" which have passed away.
Rather, the Son of God as the Lamb is the eternal Husband to the holy city (a city of transformed and glorified PEOPLE), and an eternal Shepherd leading them to springs of waters of divine life.
"They shall not hunger anymore, neither shall they thirst anymore, neither shall the sun beat upon them, nor any heat;
For the Lamb in the midst of the throne shall shepherd them and shall guide them to springs of waters of life; and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes." (Rev. 7:16,17)
The Redeemer, "THE LAMB" Who is the Son of God functions eternally to lead His people to springs of waters of eternal life.
How can Divegeester say the Son's ministry or office is no more? This is a heresy.
The Eternal Son
The praises of the saved ascend to God and to the Lamb forever.
They do not ascend to God forever but to the Lamb only TEMPORARILY.
So Divegeester's wanting to reduce the eternal praise and glory to the Son of God are refuted soundly.
"After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, our of every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb ...
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb. " (Rev. 7:9,10)
This is the Lamb of God , the God-man Redeemer Jesus Christ Who will have a priestly office forever, leading the saved to springs of waters of life.
"For the Lamb in the midst of the throne shall shepherd them and shall guide them to springs of waters of life; and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes." (v.17)
Therefore the Son of God is "a Priest forever" (Heb. 7:17) ...and a Shepherd forever not temporarily.
The Eternal Son
Again Revelation 21,22 as well as potions of Revelation 7 are a glimpse into eternity future. This is after the Son has delivered up the kingdom to His God and Father.
Rather than being out of a priestly office the eternal and perpetual Priest is an eternal Husband to the eternal city New Jerusalem.
And these are the MANY SONS who with THE FIRSTBORN SON reign forever and ever.
And He said to me, They have come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts from the spring of the water of life freely.
He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me." (Rev. 21:6,7)
Divegeester has a teaching that for ever the Father will have "sons" but THE SON, the Lamb of God, Jesus, is without position, office, reality, or existence.
I don't know what he thinks the Son of God will be doing while the "sons" of God are reigning forever and ever.
DIvegeester's teaching makes no sense. How will the many "sons" reign forever and ever and THE Son not take the lead to reign forever and ever ?