22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemLike the guy who wanted to know if a hunting tip arrow would penetrate a bullet proof kevlar vest!
Of course not. Many people kill themselves unintentionally, in ways that are legitimately stupid. Google the "Darwin Awards".
He put on the vest and had his friend shoot him in the chest.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou stated, "Christ has made suicide obsolete."
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I did. And though it is a little different from how the Gospel is usually presented, I stand by it.
Here's a portion of what I explained. First you receive the living and available Christ as His form of the Holy Spirit. Then ...
When you touch the Spirit of Jesus Christ within you can not only be set free from condemnation because of His redeeming blood. You can also learn that the terminating power puts to death many negative and hopeless things in you.
The pioneering Paul experienced this and spoke much about it so that believers in Jesus Christ could themselves also enter into this salvation. Christ died FOR us. I do not mean He only died for us that we may be forgiven. That He did for certain. But He also DIED FOR US.
He died to put us out of the way and make room for us being filled with Himself.
That's good enough for this post. There's more.
This is probably the most ridiculous post you have ever made, bearing in mind Christians commit suicide every day.
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Name one, if you're an expert on those who committed suicide today.
- Perhaps you need to clarify your meaning?
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I did.
And I will probably do so again.
I bet some Christians on the Forum understood something of what I was saying.
It is right from the New Testament.
Sure Jesus Christ is the best alternative to giving up in hopeless despair.
Of course that is true.
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22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @sonshipName one, if you're an expert on those who committed suicide today..
[b]You stated, "Christ has made suicide obsolete."
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I did. And though it is a little different from how the Gospel is usually presented, I stand by it.
Here's a portion of what I explained.
[quote]When you touch the Spirit of Jesus Christ within you can not ...[text shortened]... esus Christ is the best alternative to giving up in hopeless despair.
Of course that is true.[/b]
Sorry, are you seriously implying Christians don't commit suicide?!
And you want me to provide you with a name of one of my Christian clients who has done so?
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeSorry, are you seriously implying Christians don't commit suicide?!
[b]Name one, if you're an expert on those who committed suicide today..
Sorry, are you seriously implying Christians don't commit suicide?!
And you want me to provide you with a name of one of my Christian clients who has done so?[/b]
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Nope.
I'm examining your grandstanding.
And you want me to provide you with a name of one of my Christian clients who has done so?
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I have personal experience with a young Christian man who committed suicide.
I don't need to hear it from you.
I am not looking for cases of Christians committing suicide.
That is something you probably need to rationalize remaining in atheism.
"Why, if there are cases of Christians with depression or committing suicide, my atheism is justified."
I'm looking for Christians who can testify of victory in Christ over maladies.
And those maladies of such as can inflict them like anybody else.
Reiterateing ... I have personal experience with Christians who committed suicide over the last 40 some years. I don't need you to tap me about it.
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Originally posted by @sonshipYou still have failed to explain why Christians commit suicide if Jesus has made it obsolete.
PS - I also have knowledge of a Christian who tried to commit suicide and God would not let him die. It damaged his body in the attempt. But his faith increased anyway.
All kinds of things can happen.
Either they are failed Christians in your reasoning or Christianity has failed them. Which is it?
And I get that you are 'looking for Christians who can testify to victory' over such things as suicide. But what about those who were defeated?!
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
You still have failed to explain why Christians commit suicide if Jesus has made it obsolete.
Either they are failed Christians in your reasoning or Christianity has failed them. Which is it?
And I get that you are 'looking for Christians who can testify to victory' over such things as suicide. But what about those who were defeated?!
You still have failed to explain why Christians commit suicide if Jesus has made it obsolete.
When something is made obsolete some take advantage of the new thing and others do not.
I write and explain to increase the number who take advantage of the new matter.
You write to prove that there is no new matter because some who should enjoy it did not.
Either they are failed Christians in your reasoning or Christianity has failed them. Which is it?
They didn't fail to BE Christians.
Neither did Christ FAIL them.
It is a fact of life that some plants ripen early and some are late bloomers.
Sorry, Christians below a normal level of overcoming doesn't prove for you your Atheism.
Christians coming up to the normal standard is an encouragement that Christ DID speak the truth and IS faithful. There's nothing wrong with that.
I write to increase the number of those enjoying the normal grace that Christ has for us.
The need to do such writing doesn't prove your atheism is true.
And I get that you are 'looking for Christians who can testify to victory' over such things as suicide. But what about those who were defeated?!
We don't execute our wounded. We seek to help them also.
We all, who have believed in Jesus Christ, require some help from one another.
Did you imagine that the moment one believes in Christ he is instantaneously fully mature? It didn't say that anywhere in the Bible.
Redemption and forgiveness may be instantaneous. Spiritual growth in living is not.
We will all arrive.
We will not necessarily all arrive at the same time.
22 Jul 17
Originally posted by @sonshipIs suicide a "sin"?You still have failed to explain why Christians commit suicide if Jesus has made it obsolete.
When something is made obsolete some take advantage of the new thing and others do not.
I write and explain to increase the number who take advantage of the new matter.
You write to prove that there is no new matter because some who shoul ...[text shortened]... th in living is not.
We will all arrive.
We will not necessarily all arrive at the same time.
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Ghost, Christ is able to save every believer to the uttermost. If we believers are not saved to the uttermost, it does not mean that Christ is not able to save.
We limit Him and may not always be willing to be saved. But we have no excuse not to allow Him to save. If we are willing or learn to increase in our willingness He is able to save more and more.
The journey from Egypt to Canaan land normally should take about 11 days. That it took the Hebrews 40 years was not the fault of God's limitations but of His people's willingness to be brought into Canaan the Promised Land.
We are told to take note of those who are inheriting the promises of God and not to be "sluggish".
" That you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and long-suffering are inheriting the promises." (Heb. 6:12)
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Originally posted by @sonshipOkay sir, please provide your biblical evidence that Jesus has made suicide obsolete.
Ghost, Christ is able to save every believer to the uttermost. If we believers are not saved to the uttermost, it does not mean that Christ is not able to save.
We limit Him and may not always be willing to be saved. But we have no excuse not to allow Him to save. If we are willing or learn to increase in our willingness He is able to save more and more. ...[text shortened]... ose who through faith and long-suffering are inheriting the promises." (Heb. 6:12) [/quote][/b]
Also, take for example a devout Christian who has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease and has reached a stage of mental deterioration where he simply doesn't want to go on and progress into the final stages of dementia where he was lose all memory of himself and his family and end up being spoon fed in a care home. - How will Jesus save this man from dementia and make his wish to kill himself obsolete? Will Jesus take away his dementia, make his descent in to mental oblivion any less destructive? In what way will he be saved?
23 Jul 17
Originally posted by @christopher-albonThe saying it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem is true in my opinion. I also
Is it the single most stupid thing a being can do to itself?
believe people are in great spiritual distress that are even thinking along those lives. I'd
not belittle anyone whose mindset is there, I imagine they are going though enough
already and would not want to add to their struggle.
23 Jul 17
Originally posted by @christopher-albonIf she is addicted yes, being an addict only describes that condition not one's status in life.
I guess it's like addiction which can be better understood as running from some thing rather than to something. The vast majority of mental health cases are better understood in this light. An example being, does a grandma who has spent months on Morphine in hospital then return home as an addict?
23 Jul 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayDo you believe suicide is a "sin"?
The saying it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem is true in my opinion. I also
believe people are in great spiritual distress that are even thinking along those lives. I'd
not belittle anyone whose mindset is there, I imagine they are going though enough
already and would not want to add to their struggle.
23 Jul 17
Originally posted by @sonshipI believe that, I think spiritual warfare is a nasty thing and if Satan can create the doubt in
PS - I also have knowledge of a Christian who tried to commit suicide and God would not let him die. It damaged his body in the attempt. But his faith increased anyway.
All kinds of things can happen.
anyone and despair too, it sets one up for things by destroying one's faith that God can
do wonders, and help us over come.