Sure Things
There's an adage in gambling circles that suggests bettors,
"Never bet it all on a sure thing unless you'll have enough left for taxi fare home".
Within this forum, 'Faith Alone in Christ Alone' represents a prohibitive long shot.
As M. Pancoast observed, "The truth will set you free
but first it will piss you off".
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou are continuing your bid to be crowned as the fridge magnet king.
[b]Sure Things
There's an adage in gambling circles that suggests bettors,
"Never bet it all on a sure thing unless you'll have enough left for taxi fare home".
Within this forum, 'Faith Alone in Christ Alone' represents a prohibitive long shot.
As M. Pancoast observed, "The truth will set you free
but first it will piss you off".
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There are few stakes higher than life or death. And when gambling with your life it's a generally a case
of win it all or lose it all.
Now there is a very very very small probability that all the air molecules in the room you are in will suddenly
rush into a corner of the room leaving you to die horribly and painfully in a total vacuum.
While it is a "sure thing" by your analogy that this wont happen... Should you still wear a space suit just in case?
As M. Pancoast observed, "The truth will set you free
but first it will piss you off".
This might well be true.
However it is highly overused by people who don't have any truth, like you.
The truth often pisses people off... But so does untruth.
Your position pisses me off.
Mine pisses off you.
Our positions are mutually exclusive and can't both be true, and as they are not the only options they could both be false.
Thus it helps neither of us to quote M. Pancoast, because it does nothing to determine which, if either, of us is right.
Faith is demonstrably the worst way of determining truth short of determining what is true and then deliberately
believing the opposite [if that is actually possible].
Faith is guessing what is true out of the infinite possibilities available.
It stands almost no chance of being right, and even when it is, gives you no basis for telling that you are right.
That is a truth that pisses off many posters on these forums... But the fact it pisses people off is not evidence that
it's true.
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Originally posted by googlefudge"You are continuing your bid to be crowned as the fridge magnet king."
You are continuing your bid to be crowned as the fridge magnet king.
There are few stakes higher than life or death. And when gambling with your life it's a generally a case
of win it all or lose it all.
Now there is a very very very small probability that all the air molecules in the room you are in will suddenly
rush into a corner of th sters on these forums... But the fact it pisses people off is not evidence that
it's true.
Fridge Magnet King thinks GF's finally beginning to like him.
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13 Feb 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyNo, for that to happen you would need to stop believing I am going to spend an eternity being tortured in hell and deserve it.
"You are continuing your bid to be crowned as the fridge magnet king."
Fridge Magnet King thinks GF's finally beginning to like him.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeIf Fridge stopped being concerned, he wouldn't have much basis for caring about GF's Eternal Destiny in the first place.
No, for that to happen you would need to stop believing I am going to spend an eternity being tortured in hell and deserve it.
http://www.howarddavidjohnson.com/mystic.htm
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13 Feb 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThere is no eternal destiny to care about.
If Fridge stopped being concerned, he wouldn't have much basis for caring about GF's Eternal Destiny in the first place.
http://www.howarddavidjohnson.com/mystic.htm
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So what you are saying is that you are incapable of caring about another human being unless your religion is correct?
Because that sounds like that's a problem with you.
13 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudge"a] There is no eternal destiny to care about.
There is no eternal destiny to care about.
So what you are saying is that you are incapable of caring about another human being unless your religion is correct?
Because that sounds like that's a problem with you.
b] So what you are saying is that you are incapable of caring
about another human being unless your religion is correct?
c] Because that sounds like that's a problem with you."
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a] Why, then, bother with conversations about vertical issues and eternal things? All 'religions' are manmade; all peddle half truths mixed with error, falsehoods and subtle lies. Christianity, alone, is a permanent relationship with an Eternal Being. His Perfect Integrity enables Him to love with a Perfect Love. He never vacillates or changes because He's Immutable.
b] There are many 'problems' with the flawed characters of depraved human beings. As you may recall, the Apostle Paul openly stated that he was 'Chief among sinners'. I have no illusions as to where his brutal objectivity places me.
c] Unfortunate if you perceive my comments in that way. There is nothing on the table except my concern for you.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt is something like playing the lottery. You have lots of chances to lose, but you can't win the big one if you don't play. 😏 The atheist has already decided that he can not win anyway, so he just tries to ignore the game.
[b]Sure Things
There's an adage in gambling circles that suggests bettors,
"Never bet it all on a sure thing unless you'll have enough left for taxi fare home".
Within this forum, 'Faith Alone in Christ Alone' represents a prohibitive long shot.
As M. Pancoast observed, "The truth will set you free
but first it will piss you off".
.[/b]
14 Feb 13
Originally posted by RJHindsThere is no game.
It is something like playing the lottery. You have lots of chances to lose, but you can't win the big one if you don't play. 😏 The atheist has already decided that he can not win anyway, so he just tries to ignore the game.
The game is just in your heads.
And you are all losers.
14 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeI don't believe that at all, GF.
No, for that to happen you would need to stop believing I am going to spend an eternity being tortured in hell and deserve it.
I mean there's no doubt that all of us will deserve what we get, but eternal torture for you? Nah, I don't think so. However, I do grieve that before your judgement is carried out, you will have plenty of time to regret that you didn't listen to us a lot more closely.
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14 Feb 13
Originally posted by SuzianneI do not believe that your god exists.
I don't believe that at all, GF.
I mean there's no doubt that all of us will deserve what we get, but eternal torture for you? Nah, I don't think so. However, I do grieve that before your judgement is carried out, you will have plenty of time to regret that you didn't listen to us a lot more closely.
I have never believed that your god exists.
Unless evidence is supplied sufficient to justify it I will never believe that your god exists
(barring brain damage but then I will have stopped being me so my point stands).
And even if I were convinced that your god does exist, that we have souls, and the there
really is a heaven and hell I still wont worship your god (or any other).
So please answer this question.
Given the above, what does your religion say will happen to me after I die?
When you answer that the bible is unequivocal about what awaits people who don't believe
in or worship your god (they go to hell for an eternity of torture)...
Please answer this question.
Do you think that people sent to hell simply for not believing in god deserve to spend an eternity
being punished for not believing in god?
15 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeI told you I didn't believe that.
I do not believe that your god exists.
I have never believed that your god exists.
Unless evidence is supplied sufficient to justify it I will never believe that your god exists
(barring brain damage but then I will have stopped being me so my point stands).
And even if I were convinced that your god does exist, that we have souls, and the the ...[text shortened]... or not believing in god deserve to spend an eternity
being punished for not believing in god?
Didn't I start off by saying that? Didn't I?
I don't believe anyone deserves being punished for all eternity. All eternity is a real, REAL long time.
I believe that after the judgement, those found lacking will be sent to the lake of fire, yes, but it will be for the second death, the death of the soul. Your ticket will be punched and you'll be gone. It might hurt, but only for a little while. No eternal torture forever and ever, amen. But you'll know that's where you're going, and you'll know for certain that there is a God and that He has passed His righteous judgement upon you and that it was your own fault that you'll never know your Creator and that you'll forever be separated from Him. There will be plenty of time for the gnashing of teeth. Oh, and wailing. Plenty of wailing.
But you know what? You can still avoid this rather untidy bit of gruesomeness. It's your choice. Yeah, Free Will! Cool, huh? No worries, mon! Be happy!
Originally posted by googlefudgeJesus is the Christian God and I think there is pretty good evidence He exists. He commanded His disciples to teach and baptize in His name. That was the way He established His church all over the world. He proved He had the power over death by coming back to life after being crucified. He left the empty tomb for us to visit and His image on His burial cloth, which is under control of the Roman Catholic Church, as a testimony for those that were not there. The truth is what it is regardless of what you believe.
I do not believe that your god exists.
I have never believed that your god exists.
Unless evidence is supplied sufficient to justify it I will never believe that your god exists
(barring brain damage but then I will have stopped being me so my point stands).
And even if I were convinced that your god does exist, that we have souls, and the the or not believing in god deserve to spend an eternity
being punished for not believing in god?
The eternal torment you will receive is for your sins you have committed. The chief among these will be for your failure to confess and repent of your sins and ask our great God and Savior for forgiveness. Don't think you will be getting off easy as Suzianne says. That's not going to happen. It will not be fair to the rest of us.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
15 Feb 13
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat do you mean it's not fair to the rest of us? Not fair?? To the rest of us?? What about them??
The eternal torment you will receive is for your sins you have committed. The chief among these will be for your failure to confess and repent of your sins and ask our great God and Savior for forgiveness. Don't think you will be getting off easy as Suzianne says. That's not going to happen. It will not be fair to the rest of us.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
I don't want to see sinners burning in torment for all eternity. Are you saying that you do?
Vengeance belongs to the Lord, Ron. Not you. I think perhaps He's better qualified to use it judiciously, and not out of revenge.