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Originally posted by @fmfDoes the fact that you now identify as an atheist and no longer as a Christian imply that you were ashamed of being a believer in Jesus Christ at some point and would that be the same as you being ashamed of Jesus Christ at this point?
Like I said, when I was a Christian, if someone had accused me of being ashamed of being a believer in Jesus Christ ~ or of being ashamed of Jesus Christ ~ both would have meant exactly the same thing.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterYou really don’t believe Jesus was God in the flesh, do you? You really don’t believe Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world, do you? You really don’t believe Jesus was Resurrected and appeared in the flesh to His disciples after His death, do you?
Believing that Jesus existed is NOT what the topic is here. We are discussing the Christian perspective of believing in Jesus and not being ashamed of him, his teaching and the gospel generally.
In this context believing in Jesus and believing in the teaching of Jesus is exactly the same thing, or at least the former includes the latter.
Listen to your weasel words in this post - “not being ashamed of him, his teaching and the gospel generally.” I love the qualifier “generally” that you appended. Does that “generally” include Jesus being God in the flesh, sacrificing Himself for the sins of the world and being Resurrected? Do you believe that, dive?
You can run, but you can’t hide. Take a principled stand, dive. Be honest, dive. Show some integrity, dive.
Do you believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, dive?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of mankind, dive?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was Resurrected, dive?
If you believe that (and I’m not convinced you do,) you’re ashamed to believe it. The shame you feel is palpable.
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Originally posted by @fmfYou previously said you stopped being a Christian because you “no longer believed what Christians said about themselves or what Jesus’ life meant.” Nothing about believing and then not believing Jesus was God in the flesh; nothing about believing and then not believing Jesus was crucified for the sins of the world; nothing about believing and then not believing Jesus was Resurrected.
Like I said, when I was a Christian, if someone had accused me of being ashamed of being a believer in Jesus Christ ~ or of being ashamed of Jesus Christ ~ both would have meant exactly the same thing.
Sounds like the type of Christian you were back then is the type of Christian dive is now.
But if someone doesn’t believe Jesus was God in the flesh, was sacrificed for the sins of the world and was Resurrected, I don’t think they’re a Christian. In fact, I know they’re not.
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Originally posted by @philokaliaAmen, brother.
Ladies & gentleman: here is your victim in all his glory, calling out another member of the Forum in a thread title, hoping to beat up on her.
Remember this before you cast lots with him.
I’ve only been here 3 months, but dive is the least principled and least honest poster I’ve come across.
At least with atheists and Christ deniers you know where they’re coming from. dive likes to play both sides - self identify as a Christian while bashing Christians and mocking the Bible. No one knows what he believes because I don’t think dive knows what he believes.
Originally posted by @philokaliaI’m not asking you or anyone else to “cast lots” with me, and isn’t that an incorrect analogy anyway!
Ladies & gentleman: here is your victim in all his glory, calling out another member of the Forum in a thread title, hoping to beat up on her.
Remember this before you cast lots with him.
The words in the thread title are Suziannes own and she has not defended nor refuted them. Have you actually bothered to read the OP? Suzianne is calling the quoted scripture, the words of Jesus “self serving mush”, and not one of you pathetic crew of crappy Christians has challenged her on it, not one!
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Originally posted by @divegeesterYou could have raised the issue without involving her - and you involved her in the thread title. You love to bash Christians and bash them exclusively - there’s no way around it.
I’m not asking you or anyone else to “cast lots” with me, and isn’t that an incorrect analogy anyway!
The words in the thread title are Suziannes own and she has not defended nor refuted them. Have you actually bothered to read the OP? Suzianne is calling the quoted scripture, the words of Jesus “self serving mush”, and not one of you pathetic crew of crappy Christians has challenged her on it, not one!
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI don’t take your word for anything.
“Amen brother”
Good grief, he’s a racist!
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Originally posted by @divegeesterWhoops, more ad hominems.
“Amen brother”
Good grief, he’s a racist!
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Originally posted by @divegeesterSo you have no examples you can cite off hand? Based on past history you could easily be misrepreseting him.
One only has to look back over philokalia's posting history in debates to understand where he stands in terms of race.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI love how you’re still pretending to ignore me by not quoting my post yet you’re responding to my post nevertheless.
One only has to look back over philokalia's posting history in debates to understand where he stands in terms of race.
You know who else does that? The two biggest atheist trolls on here who (coincidentally I’m sure) just happen to be the only members of your “exclusive” and “invitation only” “DIVE LOUNGE” club.
Couldn’t find any believers to invite?
Shockah!
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerWere you invited to be a member of dive’s “exclusive” and “invitation only” “DIVE LOUNGE” club?
So you have no examples you can cite off hand? Based on past history you could easily be misrepreseting him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you weren’t.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I looked but didn't see an answer to these questions. Did I miss something?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, dive?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of mankind, dive?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was Resurrected, dive?