Taking Quality Questions on Revelation

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Is this the point when you query again whether man walked on the moon?!


Curious sonship how you flag up 'poor questions' while simultaneously providing woefully poor answers.

Is this the point when you query again whether man walked on the moon?!

Curious sonship how you flag up 'poor questions' while simultaneously providing woefully poor answers.

Do you remember though when US astronauts took the mighty Saturn Five rocket up to the moon ?

Originally posted by @sonship

Is this the point when you query again whether man walked on the moon?!

No sir.
My question has nothing to do with walking on the moon.

Curious sonship how you flag up 'poor questions' while simultaneously providing woefully poor answers.

Do you have an answer to this question?

Do you remember though when US astronauts took the mighty Saturn Five rocket up to the moon ?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
No, not really. (Before I was born). What's your point?

Originally posted by @sonship
I just mean that you recall this historically.
Historically you are aware that astronauts flew on the Saturn Five rocket up to the moon?

You at least recall that historically. Right?

You've seen footage of space walks too. I'm sure.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke

'As explained, the writer was speaking as someone who viewed the world as flat. (Having 4 corners). Nothing more than that. This clearly demonstrates his visions were of his own manufacture, as any divine revelation from an omniscient deity wouldn't have used such erroneous language.'

Either way we look at it, your argument is clearly not incontestable.

We here people still speak of "sun-rise" or the sun "going down". If we wanted to be a stickler about precision we could protest that the sun didn't "go down" really. The earth is rotating. Yet the phrase "the sun went DOWN" communicates pretty well.

John seeing in his vision four angels at the "four corners of the earth" communicates to people of that day just as "Big Bang" or "space walk" or " traveling UP to the moon " does to people of our day.

The language is not unscientific. It is just scientifically imprecise according to modern standards. Should scientific knowledge advance further, I am sure that imprecise phrases we use today may sound naive to people five hundred years from now.

In his vision John may have been as in a virtual reality auditorium. He looked around and saw the fierce winds being held back in the four directions by four angels. It communicates.

In the next verse he says he saw another Angel "ascending from the rising of the sun". Of course all generations of people down through the ages understand him to mean in the east.

That's all the time I have this morning.
Of course I have TIME until the day I die. The speaking is imprecise scientifically. You understand that I MEAN that that is all the TIME I can dedicate to this activity right now.

Originally posted by @sonship
We here people still speak of "sun-rise" or the sun "going down". If we wanted to be a stickler about precision we could protest that the sun didn't "go down" really. The earth is rotating. Yet the phrase "the sun went DOWN" communicates pretty well.

John seeing in his vision four angels at the [b]"four corners of the earth" communicates to people ...[text shortened]... stand that I MEAN that that is all the TIME I can dedicate to this activity right now.[/b]

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Congrats on missing the point entirely.

You say, "the language is not unscientific. It is just scientifically imprecise," and yet seem oblivious to the consequences of that line of reasoning.


Why was the vision given by God [b]"scientifically imprecise?!"[/b]

Why was the vision given by God "scientifically imprecise?!"

"And after this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth nor on the sea nor on any tree." (Rev. 7:1)

"Well God, I know You were concerned about my thefts, my fornications, my stealing, my bearing false witness, my idolatrous substitutes for God, my unfaithfulness, my teaching people that there was no God, and my other sins. But you see, I didn't consider repentance or the need for salvation because this word You had John write about the four corners of the earth, JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I'm a modern man here God. You'll understand that this phrase "angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth" was so scientifically wrong, well, I assumed You didn't speak anything.

By the way, give me some credit for quoting Proverbs and other books as having Divine authority ... when it seemed to serve my skeptical purposes."

A bit of a diversion.
Kent Hovind (with whom I would have some differences) fields a bunch of famous Bible alleged contradictions.

Possibly he corrects me on something I wrote about a week ago about the mentioning of Easter in the book of Acts.

YouTube

Originally posted by @sonship
A bit of a diversion.
Kent Hovind (with whom I would have some differences) fields a bunch of famous Bible alleged contradictions.

Possibly he corrects me on something I wrote about a week ago about the mentioning of Easter in the book of [b]Acts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CY-jX9juoQ[/b]

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Was a good time for a diversion. You were starting to flounder.

Originally posted by @sonship
That's your reply?

John's phrase - [b]"the four corners of the earth" is not nearly enough reason for me not to revere Revelation as God's word.

His track record on prediction was quite good concerning the first coming of Christ. Concerning the second coming of Christ, I have good reason to believe God is still speaking.[/b]

In the Bible the number four carries the significance of God's creation. W. W. Bullinger analyzed many number usages in Scripture and has some helpful notes.

Now the number four is made up of three and one (3 + 1 = 4), and it denotes, therefore, and marks that which follows the revelation of God in the Trinity, namely, His creative works. He is known by the things that are seen. Hence the written revelation commences with the words, "In the-beginning God CREATED." Creation is therefore the next thing - the fourth thing, and the number four always has reference to all that is created. It is emphatically the number of Creation, of man in his relation to the world as created; while six is the number of man in his opposition to and independence of God. It is the number of things that have a beginning, of things that are made, of material things, and of matter itself. It is the number of material completeness. Hence it is the world number, especially, especially the "city" number."