05 Mar 05
Originally posted by telerionActually from what I get from it, in chapter 34 verse 1 God says "make the stones and I will write the same think I wrote on the first tablet, the rest of the chapter has nothing to do with the ten comandments
From reading Exodus.
I'm sure you are familiar with Moses' smashing the first ten commandments. According to Exodus 34, he had to go back up to god and write down new ones. If you read all of chapter 34, you will see that these commandments differ greatly from those in chapter 20.
05 Mar 05
Originally posted by flyUnityYeah verse one is funny, but reading on you find that right after God finishes his commandments to Moses he says the following:
Actually from what I get from it, in chapter 34 verse 1 God says "make the stones and I will write the same think I wrote on the first tablet, the rest of the chapter has nothing to do with the ten comandments
34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
I think either we have an inconsistency between 1 and 27-28 or when the Lord says, " and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables," he is taking about the meaning of his commandments, not a verbatim dictation.
05 Mar 05
Originally posted by telerionI would say verse 27 and 28 are on a totaly different subject, God said to write it down, but from what I gather its not the "Ten Comandments"
Yeah verse one is funny, but reading on you find that right after God finishes his commandments to Moses he says the following:
34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither ...[text shortened]... he first tables," he is taking about the meaning of his commandments, not a verbatim dictation.
05 Mar 05
Originally posted by KellyJayLet us suppose God has feelings.
Pain does not mean weakness, only feelings.
Kelly
If man has the power to change God's feelings, then man is more powerful than God with respect to controlling God's feelings. Since there exists a power that man has and God doesn't, God cannot be omnipotent.
05 Mar 05
Originally posted by flyUnityWell, let's look at the 10 commandments from Exodus 20.
Remeber that the founding fathers wanted our country to be founded on Godly Values, The ten conmandments are good moral values which I dont understand why so many ppl want to get rid of it, I think if everyone in would live by them, we would have a much nicer country. For example, Thalt shalt not kill, why does ppl want that out of our courtrooms, they ar ...[text shortened]... ll crumble, take away are morals and our values and we will crumble,
I hope this makes sense
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
(Unconstitutional)
This is not at all in line with what the overwhelming majority of the founders had in mind. They did not want to set up a Judeo-Christian theocracy. In fact, as deists, many of the most important shapers of our early republic did not believe in the xtian god.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
(Unconstitutional)
Our founders were very careful to ensure the freedom to choose our religion here. If it includes graven images, then fine.
Moreover xtians make graven images all the time: crosses, nativity scenes, stain-glass windows.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
(Unconstitutional)
Most people do this, xtians probably more than anyone else.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(Unconstitutional)
As a friend of mine on another board pointed out to me, xtian business men probably wouldn't be too happy if we stopped all work on Sunday (or was it Saturday?)
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
Good idea. Found in most belief systems I'm aware of. Not probably a good law though.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
This is a very important concept. Again common in some form to most belief systems. Of course, it is pretty vague as is. Does the death penalty count? How about shooting some one who breaks into your house at night?
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(Unconstitutional)
I think this is generally a good maxim. Adultery most often causes a lot of pain. I don't think the founders were thinking of this commandment though when they constructed the framework of our republic.
8. Thou shalt not steal. Right on the money but again
Very important. Basically, ubiquitous in history of civilizations with property rights.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
(Unconstitutional unless under oath in a court of law or impedes an investigation)
May be a good idea. Once again, not so much xtian as universal.
10. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's.
(Unconstitutional)
This is an underpinning of American capitalism.
Ok, so what do we have? Six maybe seven unconstitutional commandments and three nearly universal ones. Most of the good ones are so obvious that they don't need to be pulled out of a particular religion's text and displayed on our (heathen and believer alike) government's courts. Basically, if you go to court and you don't know that you shouldn't murder people then I don't think a religious plaque is gonna make you think.
05 Mar 05
Originally posted by telerion
Cat got your tongue?
Ivanhoe, when you get a original thought in your head that didn't come straight out of some priest's scribblings then maybe I'll put more effort into my responses to you.
Then maybe you should read some other threads I initiated ...... and stop being so resentfull.
05 Mar 05
Originally posted by telerionlol, I wouldnt want the goverment to make the 10 comandments laws, alot of them would be unconstitution. Im not saying they should be Law,
Well, let's look at the 10 commandments from Exodus 20.
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
(Unconstitutional)
This is not at all in line with what the overwhelming majority of the founders had in mind. They did not want to set up a Judeo-Christian theocracy. In fact, as deists, many of the most important shapers of our early republic did ...[text shortened]... hat you shouldn't murder people then I don't think a religious plaque is gonna make you think.
Im saying if everyone lives by them general princaples, It will help our nation as a whole, and its not just for Christains, I would hope that an atheist would live by most of them