29 Apr 23
@divegeester saidIt is, for better and worse, one of the essential works of Western culture. One doesn’t have to believe a word of it to recognize its historical significance.
Why can’t people “talk about scriptures” unless it “matters to them”?
Why is it “deceitful” if they do?
What do you mean by “matters to them”? Surely scripture “matters to” an atheist historian?
29 Apr 23
@fmf saidAn empty grave.
...is that you don't know about it.
Or is there credible evidence that I am wrong?
It is the only credible evidence (the sign of Jonah) anyone is going to get.
But once one sees the light a new spiritual dimension becomes visible.
30 Apr 23
@josephw saidFor all intents and purposes, my grave will be "empty" once my corpse has rotted away. How can that possibly be touted as evidence that I will know I am dead AFTER I die? Perhaps you didn't understand the OP's question.
An empty grave.
It is the only credible evidence (the sign of Jonah) anyone is going to get.
But once one sees the light a new spiritual dimension becomes visible.
30 Apr 23
@fmf said[1] "I don't believe there is life after death"
...is that you don't know about it.
Or is there credible evidence that I am wrong?
...is very different from...
[2] "I believe there is no life after death".
I am a no,[1] and not no.[2]
The burden of proof falls upon those who say "I believe there is life after death" AND "I believe you must act upon this fact while you are still alive".
@josephw saidYou master the art of posting and saying nothing. A man who has a point to make would say instead ... your coments on the Bible contradict what it says because the bible says ............................................................. and you say ................................................... But we understand your dilema. You want to be heard but your brain just does not help you out.
Thing is, your comments on the Bible contradict what it says.
@rajk999 saidStill talking about the Bible, why again do you do that?
You master the art of posting and saying nothing. A man who has a point to make would say instead ... your coments on the Bible contradict what it says because the bible says ............................................................. and you say ................................................... But we understand your dilema. You want to be heard but your brain just does not help you out.
@kellyjay saidDon't be so disingenuous, KellyJay. He's a follower of Jesus, regardless of whether or not you agree with - or approve of - what this entails for him. I have never seen him promote anything that does not explicitly originate from the teachings of Jesus that are laid out in the Bible.
Still talking about the Bible, why again do you do that?
30 Apr 23
@josephw saidIs this the best you can come up with for “evidence” that Jesus rose from the dead … a now non-existent burial site?
An empty grave.
It is the only credible evidence (the sign of Jonah) anyone is going to get.
But once one sees the light a new spiritual dimension becomes visible.
Really!?
@rajk999 saidIt is the death throes of a version of Christianity which is threadbare, hackneyed, tawdry, exhausted of ideas and spiritual power.
You master the art of posting and saying nothing. A man who has a point to make would say instead ... your coments on the Bible contradict what it says because the bible says ............................................................. and you say ................................................... But we understand your dilema. You want to be heard but your brain just does not help you out.
God will move again and all this evangelical right-wing bible-bashing “Jesus loves you but he will burn you in hell if you don’t love him back” nonsense will be swept away like detritus left by the last tide.
@divegeester saidAhemm, no, not an empty grave. Not even that is extant. What we have is a STORY about a supposedly empty grave. A story, written at the earliest 80 yrs. after the supposed event, not by an eyewitness, which has been redacted an unknown number of times. THAT is the best they can come up with. I don’t call that evidence at all. I call that a story standing in need of evidence.
Is this the best you can come up with for “evidence” that Jesus rose from the dead … a now non-existent burial site?
Really!?