The Blue Dragon's Cave. (Thanks EB)

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Why is the dragon blue?

Read the first post, I think you will have to ask Taoman

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Why is the dragon blue?

Does this help?

"The cave of the blue dragon is where we store all of our stuff—our psychological bilge, so to speak—and it’s very difficult to go there. It takes a certain degree of fearlessness to do that. The process of zazen engages that. It engages the fear, in order to empower fearlessness. When stuff comes up, we don’t use zazen as another vehicle for suppression. When something keeps coming up in meditation, that's a signal that you need to deal with it. You need to process it. You need to process it thoroughly and fearlessly, to feel it and experience it, then let it go and come back to the moment."

http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=3177&Itemid=244&limit=1&limitstart=2

Is there a reason that where we store all of our psychological bilge would be spoken of as the cave of the blue dragon? Knowing that reason might explain why it is blue. The symbolic value of the color would be nice to know.

So, at

http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/blue.htm

we find this:

quote:

Eternity, truth, devotion, faith, purity, chastity, peace, spiritual and intellectual life - these are some of the associations that appear in many different cultures. All express a general feeling that blue is the coolest, most detached and least material of all hues.

The Virgin Mary and Christ are often shown wearing blue in Christian art, and it is the attribute of many sky gods including Amun in Egypt, the Sumerian Great Mother, the Greek Zeus (Jupiter to the Romans), the Hindu Indra, Vishnu and his blue-skinned incarnation, Krishna.

In Buddhism both light and dark aspects of this mysterious color are important.

Light Blue (Turquoise) in Buddhism

The significance of the light shade of blue is reflected in the importance of the semi-precious stone turquoise in the daily spiritual and religious life of the devout Buddhist, who holds various beliefs about this stone. In general terms turquoise is a symbol of the blue of the sea and the sky. Infinity in the sky speaks of the limitless heights of ascension. The stone is opaque as the earth, yet it lifts the spirit high, laying bare to us the wisdom of both the earth and the sky.

When worn in a ring, turquoise is believed to assure a safe journey; worn in the ear it prevents reincarnation as a donkey; appearing in a dream, it is auspicious; when found, it brings the best of luck and gives new life (in contrast, it is not considered lucky to find gold or coral); when changing its color to green, it indicates hepatitis, yet at the same time it draws out jaundice. Most importantly it is believed to absorb sin.

Strings of prayer beads too include turquoise. In fact, when worshipping the popular goddess Tara in her green form, because of the color association, it is desirable to do so with a rosary entirely composed of turquoise beads.

There also exists as well the concept of living and dead turquoise. Living turquoise has a healthy blue color, whereas dead turquoise has turned either white or black. In the natural aging process of turquoise, exposure to light and body oils darkens the color, eventually turning it black. Tibetans compare this to human aging and death. Wearing "living" turquoise is therefore very desirable, as it will give long life to the wearer.

Turquoise has also been held as a sacred stone by ancient cultures other than Tibetan. It was sacred in Egypt, along with malachite and lapis lazuli. It was also sacred to the Persian culture, where it symbolized purity. American Indians believe it to be a protector and guardian of the body and soul. Gypsies wear turquoise in their navels, believing it to be good for everything.

Dark Blue (Lapis Lazuli) in Buddhism

Nothing illustrates more the spectacular influence of the darker blue on Buddhist aesthetics than the 'Blue Buddha', also known as the Buddha of Medicine or Healing. The most distinctive feature of this Medicine Buddha is his color, the deep blue of lapis lazuli.

This precious stone has been greatly prized by Asian and European cultures for more than six thousand years and, until relatively recently, its ornamental value was on a par with, or even exceeded, that of the diamond. An aura of mystery surrounds this gemstone, perhaps because of its principal mines are located in the remote Badakshan region of northeast Afghanistan, an all-but-inaccessible area located behind the Hindu Kush. One commentator has written, "the finest specimens of lapis, intensely blue with speckled waves and swirls of shining gold-colored pyrite, resemble the night aglow with myriads of stars."

E.H. Schafer summarizes the Buddhist interest in lapis lazuli:

The Chinese were not alone among the Far Eastern peoples in their admiration for the blue mineral. The Tibetans valued it above all others, even ahead of gold, and those highlanders saw in it the image of the azure sky, and said that the hair of their goddess had its color. Both men and women wore it on their heads.

Indeed to this day, statues prepared in Tibet and the Himalayn kingdom of Nepal have their hair painted blue.

Traditionally this beautiful stone was used to symbolize that which is pure or rare. It is said to have a curative or strengthening effect on those who wear it, and its natural smoothness allows it to be polished to a high degree of reflectivity. Specifically in alternative medicine, because of it being associated with a certain 'coolness', it is used when inflammation is present, or when any internal bleeding or nervous condition exists. For all these reasons, plus the fact that deep blue light has a demonstrable healing effect on those who use it in visualization practices, lapis is the color of the principal Medicine Buddha, making this stone an important one in Buddhist mysticism.

Indeed the Lapis Healing Master is one of the most honored figures in the Buddhist pantheon. In one of the main sutras (canonical texts) concerning the Medicine Buddha, Shakyamuni tells his close disciple and attendant Ananda:

I beseech you, Blessed Medicine Guru,
Whose sky-colored, holy body of lapis lazuli
Signifies omniscient wisdom and compassion
As vast as limitless space,
Please grant me your blessings.


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So what does the dragon's being blue tell us?

Originally posted by JS357
Does this help?

"The cave of the blue dragon is where we store all of our stuff—our psychological bilge, so to speak—and it’s very difficult to go there. It takes a certain degree of fearlessness to do that. The process of zazen engages that. It engages the fear, in order to empower fearlessness. When stuff comes up, we don’t use zazen as another vehicle fo ...[text shortened]... e your blessings.


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So what does the dragon's being blue tell us?

Thanks JS. I was intuitively linking the Blue Dragon's Cave with a place of our mind, that has power over us, and painfully confronting, yet with the potential to release into the 'blue' of space, of openness and clarity. It is painful for a Zen teacher to go there with you again and again until you gain some clearance. I had not yet delved into the specifics of the symbolism and find your post helpful. Thank you.

An image sums up a thousand words.

If bb is around...you there EB?

Originally posted by Taoman
Thanks JS. I was intuitively linking the Blue Dragon's Cave with a place of our mind, that has power over us, and painfully confronting, yet with the potential to release into the 'blue' of space, of openness and clarity. It is painful for a Zen teacher to go there with you again and again until you gain some clearance. I had not yet delved into the specifics ...[text shortened]... helpful. Thank you.

An image sums up a thousand words.

If bb is around...you there EB?

At other sites on buddhist symbolism, I find blue to be considered the color of loving kindness and the dragon to be a symbol of enlightenment. I don't find specifics for cave, but there are references here and there to the buddhist-ness of Plato's allegory of the cave. The cave may in this context represent a certain degree of illusion is at play. Putting these together I think of the blue dragon as actually a benign being, whose harmfulness is an illusion that our misplaced fear keeps us from moving past. I can see how students who can't get past it are vexing to their teachers.

Of course it's all a big Rorschach test anyway and what we see says more about us than about what we see. Alternative readings are not to be dismissed.

Originally posted by JS357
At other sites on buddhist symbolism, I find blue to be considered the color of loving kindness and the dragon to be a symbol of enlightenment. I don't find specifics for cave, but there are references here and there to the buddhist-ness of Plato's allegory of the cave. The cave may in this context represent a certain degree of illusion is at play. Putting the ...[text shortened]... see says more about us than about what we see. Alternative readings are not to be dismissed.

Not sure about it being a benign dragon.

In Shugen Sensei's expansion within the immediate context, Emperors are also mentioned. He sees at that as a reference back to to ourselves. I see the similitude of dreaming, where all that manifests in a dream is an aspect of ourselves.

Dragons and Emperors, of course, are often together. The Emperor wore Golden Yellow Dragons. Dragons are traditionally Yang, utmost Yang. Powerful forces, of mystic nature, flying swimming, emerging, hiding.

Blue is the contrast of Yellow. Is it a false "self" our anti-"Emperor"? And who is the true Emperor? Powerful, mystic, never quite locatable, yet....

There is indeed a lot of Rorschaching and gestalting going on in the sutras and koans. And we need not stay with one interpretation as we reflect. These images are multivalent, provocative, and that would be the intention, I expect, - to shift us.

I like Shugen Sensei's expansion:

'Once you enter, you see it’s just you. Once you enter, you see that you have the power to meet yourself.'