The Destruction of Babylon

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am referring to the ancient Phonecian Island, it has never been rebuilt, please do not try to obfuscate it with these ludicrous claims.

wiki: "The present-day city of Tyre covers a large part of the original island and has expanded onto and covers most of the causeway, which had increased greatly in width over the centuries because of extensive silt depositions on either side. The part of the original island that is not covered by the modern city of Tyre consists mostly of an archaeological site showcasing remains of the city from ancient times."

My sister and her husband have visited it. Said it was very interesting, although they did not meet any Pheonicians.

As I said before, the prophecy in question simply did take into account or foresee the rebuilding of the city. That's why I say it is a bit of a dud.

Originally posted by FMF
wiki: "The present-day city of Tyre covers a large part of the original island and has expanded onto and covers most of the causeway, which had increased greatly in width over the centuries because of extensive silt depositions on either side. The part of the original island that is not covered by the modern city of Tyre consists mostly of an archaeological site ...[text shortened]... tion did take into account the rebuilding of the city. That's why I say it is a bit of a dud.

yes i understand that, its rather elementary dear Watson, but its not a rebuilding of the
ancient city, after all, all the Tyreans were either dead or sold into slavery and their
city (island part) torched with fire. Whether you think its a dud is neither here nor
there, these are the facts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i understand that, its rather elementary dear Watson, but its not a rebuilding of the
ancient city, after all, all the Tyreans were either dead or sold into slavery and their
city (island part) torched with fire. Whether you think its a dud is neither here nor
there, these are the facts.

Yes, but the city got rebuilt - contrary to what the prophecy claimed would happen. There are plenty of "Tyreans" in the city that got rebuilt.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
look, there are two accounts, two destructions, of two cities, one mainland, by the
hand of the Babylonians and the other, the Phonecian Island city, destroyed by
Alexander which remains to this day, underneath the sea. The Bible does not
mention Alexander by name, never the less, here is a prophecy,

(Zechariah 9:3-5) 3 And Tyre proceeded ...[text shortened]... 00 prominent leaders were killed as a reprisal, and 30,000 inhabitants
were sold into slavery.

Ezeikel 26 clearly mentions 'Nebuchadnezzar' by name, no mention of Alexander. Here's the text as you are no doubt well aware -

7 “For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. 8 He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. 9 He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. 10 His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through. 11 The hooves of his horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. 13 I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. 14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.

No mention of Alexander whatsoever in the text. It clearly states that Nebuchadnezzar will destroy the city 'make you a bare rock' and that the city will 'never be rebuilt'. The prophesy as is laid out above never happened. Why Alexander the Great is being dragged into this is quite clearly a forced reading, nowhere is anyone mentioned except Nebuchadnezzar. Ezeikel 29:17-18 even admits the 'prophesy' didn't come off.

17 In the twenty-seventh year, in the first month on the first day, the word of the LORD came to me: 18 “Son of man, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon drove his army in a hard campaign against Tyre; every head was rubbed bare and every shoulder made raw. Yet he and his army got no reward from the campaign he led against Tyre.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Ezeikel 26 clearly mentions 'Nebuchadnezzar' by name, no mention of Alexander. Here's the text as you are no doubt well aware -

7 “For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. 8 He will ravage yo ...[text shortened]... raw. Yet he and his army got no reward from the campaign he led against Tyre.

sigh, Nebuchanezzar destroyed the mainland city, Alexander the Island city many
years later, are you denying that he did PK, are you?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sigh, Nebuchanezzar destroyed the mainland city, Alexander the Island city many
years later, are you denying that he did PK, are you?

The city got rebuilt on the island, on the causeway, and on the mainland. The prophet did not foresee it, though.

Originally posted by FMF
The city got rebuilt on the island, on the causeway, and on the mainland. The prophet did not foresee it, though.

not by the ancient Phonecians, to which the prophesy was addressed it didn't.
Perhaps Gods prophet should also have mentioned those who would build on the ruins
of the ancient city, a new city.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not by the ancient Phonecians, to which the prophesy was addressed it didn't.
Perhaps Gods prophet should also have mentioned those who would build on the ruins
of the ancient city, a new city.

That's right. The city of Tyre got rebuilt. New, old, won't get rebuilt, will get rebuilt, it is there it isn't there. The prophecy is a dud.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not by the ancient Phonecians, to which the prophesy was addressed it didn't.
Perhaps Gods prophet should also have mentioned those who would build on the ruins
of the ancient city, a new city.

Then it's not much of a prophecy if Alexandr is not mentionned by name.

I will make a prophecy of my own: "The president of USA, Obama, will lose his precidency eventually, and another one will be president instead."

It would be a far better prophecy if I name the newpresident, don't you think?.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
egypt was never made desolate by the hand of nebuchadnezzar for 40 years.
nebuchadnezzar was only able to vassalize egypt for a little while but egypt later returned in power and subjugated babylon.

sour is tyre in the arabic language. the city is called tyre and it is on the same mass as the ancient city of tyre. further, you raise a moot point sin ...[text shortened]... NO city would be built there. ever.

when will you stop making excuses for your lying god?

Why are they now using the Arabic language?

Originally posted by FMF
That's right. The city of Tyre got rebuilt. New, old, won't get rebuilt, will get rebuilt, it is there it isn't there. The prophecy is a dud.

is it only this aspect that makes you think of it as a dud, not the fact that Alexander
would scrape up the stones of the old city and pitch them into the sea, not that it was
prophesied 200 years in advance that it would be burned with fire, meh, mere
pedantry!

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Then it's not much of a prophecy if Alexandr is not mentionned by name.

I will make a prophecy of my own: "The president of USA, Obama, will lose his precidency eventually, and another one will be president instead."

It would be a far better prophecy if I name the newpresident, don't you think?.

sure, it should have stated that he was standing on one leg, while facing North, while
the sun was at its zenith, while his pet hamster, Hammy walked backwards seven times
taking two steps to the left and two steps to the right.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
is it only this aspect that makes you think of it as a dud, not the fact that Alexander
would scrape up the stones of the old city and pitch them into the sea, not that it was
prophesied 200 years in advance that it would be burned with fire, meh, mere
pedantry!

The Bible never mentions Alexander.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The Bible never mentions Alexander.

not by name, no. It does mention that the stones would be scraped though and we
know Alexander did this.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not by name, no. It does mention that the stones would be scraped though and we
know Alexander did this.

But the prophesy clearly names Nebuchadnezzar who would do this, not Alexander.