The Divine right of Kings

Originally posted by RJHinds
No I am not praying for those Muslim demons.

Berean Literal Bible
for man's anger does not produce the righteousness of God.

New American Standard Bible
for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.

King James Bible
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Originally posted by sonship
I asked if you were praying for Syrian refugees.
Do you mean to reply, No, because they are all Muslim demons ?

What do you think [b]James meant when he wrote under divine inspiration -

[quote] Berean Literal Bible
for man's anger does not produce the righteousness of God.

New American Standard Bible
for the anger of man do ...[text shortened]... nd for the word to reach those locked out of it, we need petitions that touch the throne of God.[/b]

Originally posted by RJHinds
As I understand it, Syrian Muslim refugees were the ones raping all those German women. Certainly, I believe in controlling my anger so it is directed toward those Muslim monsters and not Syrian Christians. But I don't believe in giving all of them a pass just because of something James said. Those Terrorists deserve the wrath of God and I believe we should be willing to carry out God's judgment on them, if necessary. 😏

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Actually dude they were considered to have been North African, Syria is like in the middle East.

Originally posted by sonship
[b] Praise Jehovah you people!!!
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I do. I do.


Concerning the rights of Kings 1 Samuel 8:5,8,9,18,19 could be considered.
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Good verses. I read them. OK.

Jehovah allowed the people ...[text shortened]... s up to God. Would you agree that this was an exemplary characteristic of David with King Saul ?

Originally posted by RJHinds

"That we may not be taken advantage of by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes." (2 Cor.2:11)

But I don't believe in giving all of them a pass just because of something James said. Those Terrorists deserve the wrath of God and I believe we should be willing to carry out God's judgment on them, if necessary.
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Yes, we may look to God judging righteously. But the great commission of Christ to the disciples was to go to all the world and make disciples of Jesus from all nations immersing them into the Triune God (Matt. 28:19). His final charge was not about the disciples going into all the world to execute God's judgment.

I will include in my considerations the subtly of the enemy to cause the followers of Jesus to morph His great commission into something of the flesh, of the fallen soul. This would prolong Christ's will.

And we should want to not only EXPECT but HASTEN the coming of the day of the Lord rather than prolong it.

"Expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, ... " (See 2 Peter 3:12)

" ... He has counted me faithful, appointing me to the ministry,

Who formerly was a blasphemer and a persecutor and an insulting person, but I was shown mercy because, being ignorant, I acted in unbelief.

And the grace of our Lord superabounded with faith and love in Christ Jesus. ... Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am foremost.

But because of this I was shown mercy that in me, the foremost, Jesus Christ might display all His long-suffering for a pattern to those who are to believe on Him unto eternal life." (See entire section of First Timothy 1:12-16 )

Originally posted by RJHinds
Islam is an evil religion inspired by Satan and his demons, so it really does not matter to me if they are from North Aftica or Syrian. 😏

RC and I have not had many (any? 😛 ) constructive conversations on this site, but for once I find the subject matter interesting.

I don't believe his basic question ( as I understand it) has been answered. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he asks:

1. Where in the Bible did the DRofK originate?
with the (implied) follow up questions:

2. Was it a valid doctrine that still applies today?

3. If not, why not? Did God change his mind?

Here are my thoughts on this matter.

Clearly, the DRofK doctrine is based on biblical teachings, such as the passages quoted (especially OT). It held sway until the Enlightenment and French Revolution. (The fact that the actual words are not in the Bble, is neither here nor there.)

So is the doctrine true? Of course not. It is (was) one of the most abusive and repulsive forms of power exercised by a leader.

Now to claim that God ORIGINATED and Implemented that Rule, causes serious problems when we note that it was later justifiably found to be defective and hence overthrown.

That brings us to the critical point of what it actually IS that the Bible records. It is NOT the ultimate, verbal Word of God, but writings which holy men of their day recorded as worthy of preservation. That included historical records, cultural habits, poetical writings and myths, as well as doctrine amongst other things.

The DRofK was in the category of recording the cultural and historical reality of the day. That was the way people governed themselves, and (more importantly) believed that God wanted them to govern themselves.

When later it was apparent that David was the first of very few "just" kings, and the vast majority where tyrannical dictators, mankind chose other forms of government, e.g. democracy.

Of course, the ancient but still popular Armenianism vs Calvinism debate applies here. In one sense, God IS responsible for everything that happens, especially the appointment of modern "kings" ( read : Presidents?) but in that same way he is also responsible for everything else, e.g. whether the bus is on time this morning or which way the wind blows. But that is a subject for another debate.

I would further see the DRofK as a cultural institution which was ostensibly sanctioned, even instituted, by God, in the similar light as slavery, about which there already have been several threads.

Just saying.

Caljust, thanks arranging your thoughts in a substantive contribution to a not too easy subject. I'll think about it.

Someone put it - "Government is better than no government. Good government is better than bad government. God's government is best of all."

Originally posted by sonship
Caljust, thanks arranging your thoughts in a substantive contribution to a not too easy subject. I'll think about it.

Someone put it - "Government is better than no government. Good government is better than bad government. God's government is best of all."

Originally posted by roigam
A good observation.
But why won't the governments of the Earth accept God's Government?
(Psalm 2:1-12) Why are the nations agitated And the peoples muttering an empty thing?  2 The kings of the earth take their stand And high officials gather together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one.  3 They say: “Let us tear off their shackles And throw ...[text shortened]... perish from the way, For His anger flares up quickly. Happy are all those taking refuge in Him.

" For we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life, having been reconciled." ( Rom. 5:10)

Brother Witness Lee on Transformation for the next age:

Christian living involves a daily process of transformation. The Bible says that man was created from the dust of the ground: “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Gen. 2:7). One day the heavenly flow with the divine mineral entered into our being. This divine mineral is the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4), and the water is the divine life, the divine Spirit. Once this living water came into us, it began to wash away our natural life and to add more of the divine element into our being. This is transformation. Day by day we are living a life of transformation. We are all undergoing God’s transforming work.

In the Lord’s recovery we have paid a great deal of attention to the matter of transformation. However, not much has been written by others on the importance of transformation. Nevertheless, it is a fact that all believers eventually will be transformed. If the process of transformation cannot be completed in this age, God will have a way to complete it in the next age. In the New Jerusalem all the believers will be transformed precious stones. Babel was built with bricks, but there will be no bricks in the New Jerusalem. This city will be built with transformed material; that is, it will be constituted of God’s redeemed, transformed people. What Christians, then, will share in the millennium? It will be those who have been transformed during their lifetime. But in eternity in the New Jerusalem all the people of God will be there as transformed ones. The Christian life is a life of transformation. Daily God is seeking to transform us.

This transformation is a transformation of the human nature by and with the divine nature. This means that a better material is being wrought into us. As a result, although we were made of dust, we are being transformed into something precious and transparent. This comes from being saturated with better materials, with heavenly materials.

Originally posted by CalJust
RC and I have not had many (any? 😛 ) constructive conversations on this site, but for once I find the subject matter interesting.

I don't believe his basic question ( as I understand it) has been answered. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he asks:

1. Where in the Bible did the DRofK originate?
with the (implied) follow up questions: ...[text shortened]... e similar light as slavery, about which there already have been several threads.

Just saying.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Only Christ has the Divine Right of a King. No other king is divine.

HalleluYaH !!!
Praise the LORD!
Holy! Holy! Holy!