29 Dec 18
@kellyjay saidI asked you if you believed sonship was justified in smearing divegeester as a "heretic" - it was very specific - and you went on about how calling someone a "heretic" was "getting personal and emotions [were] riding high". You don't think divegeester is a "heretic", right? What do you think of sonship calling him one? What's your opinion?
"If they are getting personal and emotions are riding high, I doubt the Spirit of God
is leading the way of sound judgment!"
You have twisted what I said, misrepresenting my points. You see me saying that
one of them as tried to smear the other by using a specific name. I didn't even
acknowledge they were doing wrong only said if they are getting personal.
29 Dec 18
@fmf saidSo you rewrote what I said to suit yourself. Another reason why I have been asking
I asked you if you believed sonship was justified in smearing divegeester as a "heretic" - it was very specific - and you went on about how calling someone a "heretic" was "getting personal and emotions [were] riding high". You don't think divegeester is a "heretic", right? What do you think of sonship calling him one? What's your opinion?
you to be clear on the other discussion we were having in how I misunderstood
you. I don't want to misrepresent your opinion and actually address what you were
trying to say instead of what I thought you said.
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@FMF
Anyone's.
You and Dive who harp on remarks like "You seem upset" have run out good reasons to defend weak interpretations.
Divegeester's denial of the Son's eternal "office" doesn't become more right because he is calm and collected. A composed heretic can be just as bad as an emotional one.
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@KellyJay
To FMF -
You are twisting what is said to you to suit your views, I told you twice now I don't care to comment on what those two are doing.
And I knew FMF was kind of twisting your comment. He's good at that.
If Divegeester doesn't want harsh things to be said about him, he could try reframing from saying harsh things about others.
On our subject though .... - the resurrection of Christ is indeed portrayed as a birth. And the very chapter of 1 Cor. 15 says the resurrected Son of God is the firstfruits.
For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
But each one in his own order; the firstfruits, Christ, then those who are Christ's at His coming." (1 Cor. 15:22,23)
Christ - the newborn man raised in glory is the firstfruits. Then the following fruits are those who are Christ's.
The fact that the following crop of fruits are those who are in Christ and not all unbelievers raised, proves that their resurrection is unique. It is not just a coming back to life.
Acts 13:33 is indeed the resurrection of Christ described as Him being begotten on that day.
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@sonship saidSo what you said was out of retaliation...you called me vile things because you wanted to get back at me?
If Divegeester doesn't want harsh things to be said about him, he could try reframing from saying harsh things about others.
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So what you said was out of retaliation
Its Pushback. Pushback.
You like push. You don't like pushback.
There is hope for people who teach heresies. So it is not "vile".
Now, leaving the sideshow, can you explain why a temporary office of Son of God establishes the Son as "HEIR" of all things that are created ?
God ... has at the last of these days soken to us in the Son, whom He appointed HEIR of all things, through whom also He made the universe." (See Heb. 1:1,2)
Is the Son of God only heir of all things temporarily ?
The very same chapter says that His throne is forever and ever.
As to the Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever." (v.8)
Just pay attention to the points. Don't be distracted by my sounding upset.
29 Dec 18
@sonship saidNo. No, that not what you said. You said that if “divegeester doesn’t want bad things said about him then he shouldn’t say bad things about other people.” That’s not “pushback” sonship, that’s describing spiteful revenge.
@divegeesterIts Pushback. Pushback.
You like push. You don't like pushback.
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No. No, that not what you said. You said that if “divegeester doesn’t want bad things said about him then he shouldn’t say bad things about other people.” That’s not “pushback” sonship, that’s describing spiteful revenge.
Actually that is arguable. And to let you know, what really didn't help was your fighting against the notion that the fountain opened for sin (Zechariah) should not be thought of the fountain of Christ's redeeming blood.
When you waged that fight I did begin to think I must be dealing with a heretic. I am leaving it open for now. Stop whining.
Yuu leave out there and constantly remind people about accusations you have made towards me. Why don't you stop whining when you get [i]pushback[/b]?
Now apply your wise analysis in your next post to explain how the Son of God is a temporary "heir of all things" when His throne is for ETERNITY.
And I will take "I do not know" as an acceptable answer.
29 Dec 18
@sonship saidYou seem to be full of bitterness sonship, it comes across in your posting about me being a heretic. I don’t mind you calling me these things, it’s just interesting to observe how you behave when you are under pressure about your beliefs.
@divegeester
No. No, that not what you said. You said that if “divegeester doesn’t want bad things said about him then he shouldn’t say bad things about other people.” That’s not “pushback” sonship, that’s describing spiteful revenge.
Actually that is arguable. And to let you know what really didn't help was your fighting against the notion that the ...[text shortened]... /b] when His throne is for ETERNITY.
And I will take "I do not know" as an acceptable answer.
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@divegeester
Could you find equally "interesting" an answer to my question?
The Son of God through whom God made the universe is to be " heir of all things." His " throne is forever and ever."
How then can the office of Son of God be temporary?
Consider that "interesting" and explain your teaching in light of it.
29 Dec 18
@sonship saidI can if you like look at the verse if you post it in full, but theee is no need; Isaiah whom we have already discussed, has already said that a son is born and of his kingdom and authority there will be no end. Finding another scripture is pointless as the answer is the same. God is ONE person not three.
@divegeester
Could you find equally "interesting" an answer to my question?
The Son of God through whom God made the universe is to be " heir of all things." His " throne is forever and ever."
How then can the office of Son of God be temporary?
Consider that "interesting" and explain your teaching in light of it.
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@divegeester
Are you saying that when Jesus was born that was the beginning of the life of the Son of God ?