The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by FMF
One can quite rationally interpret the scripture as not referring to smoking if one interprets the term "defilement of the flesh" to mean things like sexual intercourse with children, cannibalism, female genital mutilation and so on. Do you think "defilement of the flesh" covers working in a coal mine, wading through sewage, cooking with wood in a confined space ...[text shortened]... w to interpret this piece of scripture and about how to apply it to their lives, just as you do.

you are not being asked what 'defilement of the flesh', means. A dictionary definition has already been provided for you. What you are actually being asked is how the principles and scriptures provided relate to smoking cigarettes and how else it may be interpreted. If you cannot understand what you are being asked how do you hope to formulate a reply?

Here it is for the third time.

How else might one view smoking cigarettes from the perspective of the principles and scriptures cited?

If you will not answer it this time then it is clear that you cannot engage in rational thought and purport to be a windy scourgebag.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are not being asked what 'defilement of the flesh', means. A dictionary definition has already been provided for you. What you are actually being asked his how the principles and scriptures provided relate to smoking cigarettes and how else it may be interpreted. If you cannot understand what you are being asked how do you hope to formulate a r ...[text shortened]... ime then it is clear that you cannot engage in rational thought and are simply a windy scourger.

Would you consider obesity a 'defilement of the flesh'?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Would you consider obesity a 'defilement of the flesh'?

hard to say, what evidence do you have? obesity appears to me to be linked to many causes, hard to say if they are a consequence of defiling the flesh.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hard to say, what evidence do you have? obesity appears to me to be linked to many causes, hard to say if they are a consequence of defiling the flesh.

Evidence for what? I'm asking if you consider obesity to be a 'defilement of the flesh'.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are not being asked what 'defilement of the flesh', means. A dictionary definition has already been provided for you. What you are actually being asked is how the principles and scriptures provided relate to smoking cigarettes and how else it may be interpreted. If you cannot understand what you are being asked how do you hope to formulate a re ...[text shortened]... hen it is clear that you cannot engage in rational thought and purport to be a windy scourgebag.

I have demonstrated that you and I have different personal opinions about what the term "defilement of the flesh" can refer to or how it might apply in everyday life. I am not trying to change your opinion. I am demonstrating that you have an opinion about this piece of scripture that not everyone shares.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
How else might one view smoking cigarettes from the perspective of the principles and scriptures cited?

One might view it as not covered by the term "defilement of the flesh" for the reasons I have given by way of some examples. I do acknowledge and understand that your personal opinion differs from mine and that of some other Christians.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Evidence for what? I'm asking if you consider obesity to be a 'defilement of the flesh'.

obesity is a consequence of many factors manifest by being overweight, its like asking if you consider apples to be oranges.

Originally posted by FMF
I have demonstrated that you and I have different personal opinions about what the term "defilement of the flesh" can refer to or how it might apply in everyday life. I am not trying to change your opinion. I am demonstrating that you have an opinion about this piece of scripture that not everyone shares.

you are slobbering

Originally posted by FMF
One might view it as not covered by the term "defilement of the flesh" for the reasons I have given by way of some examples. I do acknowledge and understand that your personal opinion differs from mine and that of some other Christians.

and have failed to address the question,

no more time wasted on windy scourge bags.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are slobbering

And with your catchphrase about "slobbering", you are deflecting. I am answering your questions head on and you are choosing, pointedly, not to engage what I am saying. It's no problem that our opinions differ. Indeed, our difference of opinion is demonstrating my point neatly.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what do you know about its Randolph Gandolph?

Let us see if you can think rationally, logically and reasonably seeing that the windy scourger himself failed to do so. here is the line of reasoning.

1. The Biblical principle is that a Christian should avoid anything which defiles the body or spirit.

let us cleanse ourselves from all defilemen ...[text shortened]... y a poor reader? uninterested in logic or reason? a windbag?

ironic all things considered.

Paul's letter to the Corinthians asserts that man's body is God's temple and should not be defiled.
Whether or not the use of tobacco, or using drugs, or overeating, or lack of exercise, or bad hygiene
qualify as defilement are matters of debate. But it's impossible to debate with someone who resorts
to constant name-calling and personal attacks instead of reasonable discussion.

I suggest you reread Paul's letter and note the part that admonishes the arrogant know-it-all.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
obesity is a consequence of many factors manifest by being overweight, its like asking if you consider apples to be oranges.

It's not apples and oranges. Is being grossly overweight a 'defilement of the flesh'? It's a straight forward question.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and have failed to address the question,

no more time wasted on windy scourge bags.

I have tackled your question head on. You seem, like a fair few religionists here, to have difficulty processing and engaging disagreement without either resort to circular logic or silly personal remarks. As you know, I feel you sell yourself short a lot of the time. Like I said, I understand and acknowledge your personal opinion about smoking cigarettes and I do see your reasoning behind it. If what you believe to be 'the word of God' as having helped you to give up smoking cigarettes, then I am happy for you, if giving up smoking cigarettes was indeed what you wanted to do.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you will not answer it this time then it is clear that you cannot engage in rational thought and purport to be a windy scourgebag.

Do you believe passive smoking is "forbidden in scripture"?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Paul's letter to the Corinthians asserts that man's body is God's temple and should not be defiled.
Whether or not the use of tobacco, or using drugs, or overeating, or lack of exercise, or bad hygiene
qualify as defilement are matters of debate. But it's impossible to debate with someone who resorts
to constant name-calling and personal attacks inst ...[text shortened]...
I suggest you reread Paul's letter and note the part that admonishes the arrogant know-it-all.

I have provided a line of argument, references, citations, a scripture and principles, you may make reference to those Randolf Gandolph and save your whining for the general forum.