@rajk999 saidWe are saved by the blood of the Lamb.
According to you.
Revelation
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
@kellyjay saidOf course. The WE who are saved by the blood of Christ, are the SHEEP as Jesus explained in Matt 25, The sheep are the righteous Good Samaritans of this world, the ones who feed the hungry, visit the sick, clothe the naked and live charitable giving caring lives. The goats who just sit around condemning everyone, calling everyone filthy sinners, and saying they cannot do anything and they are all evil, these types get cast out of the Kingdom of God.
We are saved by the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Like I already said, your doctrine is the total opposite of what Jesus preached. You need to leave that church that is brainwahsing you.
@sonship saidThere are only goats and sheep. But you introduce a load of bull into the teachings of Christ.
The sheep of the nations are saved because they believed in God the Creator (Rev. 14:6,7). Their God created conscience would not allow them to mistreat the Lord's brothers even to the least of them.
At the time they assisted the persecuted believers during the reign of the Antichrist they AT LEAST knew that the Antichrist was not God. And it was not right for ...[text shortened]... ainst God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, which tabernacle in heaven," (Rev. 13:5) [/b]
@rajk999 saidThe goats and sheep are those that belong to the Lord and those that don't. Some make a claim they know Him and only give Christ lip service; they don't know the Lord, so Jesus tells them He never knew them, and some deny Him in this life; they will be denied before the Father. The inescapable truth is Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life there is Him or no other way to God; I don't care how many works you have done.
There are only goats and sheep. But you introduce a load of bull into the teachings of Christ.
@kellyjay saidYet another one of your statements totally contrary to Christ ..I don't care how many works you have done. Something Jesus never said. Jesus commanded people to do good works and live righteously. ALL HIS TEACHINGS were centered around WORKS. Yet you foolishly like a typical goat condemn the doctrine, and discourage people from doing good works. Good works are never condemned by Christ.
The goats and sheep are those that belong to the Lord and those that don't. Some make a claim they know Him and only give Christ lip service; they don't know the Lord, so Jesus tells them He never knew them, and some deny Him in this life; they will be denied before the Father. The inescapable truth is Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life there is Him or no other way to God; I don't care how many works you have done.
I know there are stupid Christians who use this passage claiming that Jesus condemned good works:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV)
These are people who practice mouth worship calling Lord Lord over and over, like what sonship preaches. They are prophesying, like many Christian churches, again this is not a commandment of Christ. They are casting out devils = not a commandment of Christ. Wonderful works menas the doing of miracles - not a commandment of Christ. These things are all typical of Christian churches and Christian doctrine. They are condemned by Christ as workers of iniquity.
Good works are the type you see in Matt 25 which the sheep have done :
- feed the hungry
- clothe the naked
- entertain strangers
- etc etc
. These are good works and these are REQUIRED BY CHRIST.
Funny how the things condemned by Christ, the Christian churches typically practice them and the things recommended and required by Christ, the churches are condemning them... I say you churches are on your way to damnation.]
@rajk999 saidWe are in Christ or we are not.
Yet another one of your statements totally contrary to Christ ..I don't care how many works you have done. Something Jesus never said. Jesus commanded people to do good works and live righteously. ALL HIS TEACHINGS were centered around WORKS. Yet you foolishly like a typical goat condemn the doctrine, and discourage people from doing good works. Good works are ...[text shortened]... Christ, the churches are condemning them... I say you churches are on your way to damnation.][/b]
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Do you not think that Jesus knows who is in Him and who is not?
Yes, of course.
However the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, The Lord knows those who are His, and, Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness. (Second Timothy 2:19 )
@kellyjay saidYou lack the ability to write clearly they way Jesus did. Jesus made the point clearly about who are His and these are the SHEEP. Its all over the bible... the SHEEP. Christ knows His SHEEP, and His Sheep Know HIM.
Yes, He does, which has been my point.
Learn to wrhte clearly like Jesus Christ and maybe then people can understand what you say.
@sonship saidJesus said His sheep hear his voice and they are His. Jesus knows who they are and they abide in Him
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Do you not think that Jesus knows who is in Him and who is not?
Yes, of course.
However the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, The Lord knows those who are His, and, Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness. (Second Timothy 2:19 )
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)
The Sheep are NOT the people who call "LORD LORD",.
They are not those who prophesy.
They are not those who claim to do miracles.
They are not the ones who do bible study all day
They are not pray readers.
They are the DOERS of the commandments
Let me know if you want some referencces
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I am letting you know that I don't need anything more for the question that you asked besides Second Timothy 2:19
Which says that "the firm foundation of God" concerning this "stands" Neither you nor anyone else can shake the firm foundation.
"However the firm foundation of God stands,
having this seal, The Lord knows those who are His, and Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness."
However no one has been able to get you to name the name of the Lord - the Lord Jesus. Because no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit.
So you can provide "references" all day long. You won't be able to undo the seal of God or shake the firm foundation of God.
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Kellyjay,
It is futile for me to try to point out anything to Rajk999.
Notice that 2 Timothy 2:19 has an important FACT followed by an important EXHORTATION.
The fact - "The Lord knows those who are His . . . "
The exhortation - " Let everyone who names that name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness."
1.) The Lord's infallible KNOWLEDGE of those who belong to Him is first,
2.) The Lord's sober command to those who name Him as Lord to live accordingly, departing from unrighteousness.
It is so clear.
It is so even and balanced.
And it so refutes Rajk999's war upon the firm foundation of justification by faith.
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An open question:
The Bible says that without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to God.
"But without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to God, for he who comes forward to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder to those who diligently seek Him." (Hebrews 11:6)
Is it then
1.) IMPOSSIBLE to be well pleasing to God without faith ?
OR
2.) it is POSSIBLE to be well pleasing to God without faith ?
Which of the two statements is in agreement with the word of God? 1.) or 2.) ?
Explanations are allowed.
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Rajk999's perversion of the truth is that it is not only it is possible to be well pleasing to God WITHOUT faith. But also those who come forward to God need not even believe that God EXISTS or EXISTS to be a rewarder.
However, contrary to Rajk999's heretical proclamation of "another Jesus" the oracles of God contradict him.
"But without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to Him, for he who comes forward to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder to those who diligently seek Him." (Heb. 11:6)
You well notice that Rajk999 often brags that Atheists who do not believe God IS or the HE EXISTS to be any kind of rewarder will be well pleasing to God to enter into the kingdom of God.
He thinks he can stick it to all the Christians by taunting them that God is more well pleased with atheists who deny His existence.
Who do you think is the source of such a concept - the Holy Spirit or the evil spirit of the Devil?
I think the source of such a dogma has to be the evil spirit of Satan and not the Holy Spirit of God.
How can the Holy Spirit of God teach that atheists would be well pleasing to God - Whom they utterly rebel against and deny exists ? Nor do they want to come forward to God. Nor do they believe a non-existent God can be a rewarder.
You see how dark Rajk999's version of the Gospel is when all fabricated benevolence is stripped away?