Originally posted by wolfgang59Makes sense. A spirit being has no weight so that would apply to God, Jesus, the angels, satan and the demons also at least in the way we understand mass.
If the Holy Spirit is a force (F) then according to Newton's 2nd Law
F=ma
The Holy Spirit, being spirit obviously has no mass, therefore
F=0
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The Holy Spirit is a Teacher -
Luke 12:12 speaks of the Spirit’s work in teaching the believers: “The Holy Spirit will teach you in the same hour what should be said.” In particular, the Spirit’s teaching of the believers here refers to His teaching them what to say during persecution. When the believers are persecuted, the Spirit within them teaches them how to answer their persecutors.
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The Holy Spirit as a "Person" will speak in the disciples:
In Matthew 10:16-33 the Lord Jesus instructs the apostles concerning persecution and the way to meet it. He tells them not to be anxious about how or what to speak (v. 19). Then in verse 20 He goes on to say, “You are not the ones speaking, but the Spirit of your Father is the One speaking in you.” Here we see the work of the Spirit in His speaking in the believers. The Lord’s word in verse 20 corresponds to that in Luke 12:12, where He says that the Spirit will teach us what to say. When we are under persecution, the Spirit will teach us and speak in us. His speaking is His teaching.
As long as we have the Spirit, we have the presence of the Lord. The presence of the Lord in Matthew 10:20 is the Spirit for speaking. In facing persecution we should turn to our spirit and trust the indwelling Spirit, believing that the Spirit is with us and that He will deal with the opposers and persecutors. We should face opposition and confront attack not in ourselves, but by turning to our spirit where the Spirit of God dwells. We need to trust in Him, let Him lead us, and let Him do the speaking.
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The Holy Spirit is a living Convictor, convicting the world of their need of salvation.
John 16:8-11 reveals that the Spirit works to convict the world, mankind, concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment: “Having come, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer behold Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.” The Spirit always convicts the world concerning the three matters of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Sin entered through Adam (Rom. 5:12), righteousness is the resurrected Christ (1 Cor. 1:30), and judgment is for Satan, who is the author and source of sin (John 8:44). We were born of sin in Adam. The only way to be freed from sin is to believe in Christ, the Son of God. If we believe in Him, He will be righteousness to us, and we shall be justified in Him (Rom. 3:24; 4:25). If we do not repent of the sin in Adam and believe in Christ the Son of God, we shall remain in sin and share the judgment of Satan for eternity (Matt. 25:41).
Further reading - http://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=0982C4
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The Person of the Holy Spirit came and convicted in our hearts all of us believers in Jesus:
When the Spirit comes, He convicts unbelievers, fallen sinners, of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Sinners, who are born in Adam, must believe in the resurrected Christ so that they may have Him as their righteousness. If they do not believe, they will be judged by God as Satan is. When the gospel is preached in a proper way, those who hear should have the desire not to remain in Adam but to be transferred into Christ. These people will then be regenerated and saved. To them the convicting Spirit will become the regenerating Spirit (John 3:6), the Spirit of life (Rom. 8:2), and the Spirit of reality, dwelling within them (John 14:17).
The Spirit came to us to convict us of sin, righteousness, and judgment. We repented, believed in the Lord Jesus, and escaped the judgment that is upon Satan. We have been transferred out of Adam and into Christ. We have also become children of God and members of Christ. Now we can be filled and saturated with the Triune God, who is dispensing Himself into us and mingling Himself with us.
Originally posted by sonship"the Spirit of your Father " There is your answer. Not some individual spirit, not the spirit of Jesus, but God's spirit.... It belongs to him and only him.
The Holy Spirit as a "Person" will speak in the disciples:
In Matthew 10:16-33 the Lord Jesus instructs the apostles concerning persecution and the way to meet it. He tells them not to be anxious about how or what to speak (v. 19). Then in verse 20 He goes on to say, “You are not the ones speaking, but the Spirit of your Father is the One speaking in yo ...[text shortened]... e Spirit of God dwells. We need to trust in Him, let Him lead us, and let Him do the speaking.
Originally posted by sonship"When the Spirit comes, He convicts unbelievers, fallen sinners, of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Sinners, who are born in Adam, must believe in the resurrected Christ so that they may have Him as their righteousness. If they do not believe, they will be judged by God as Satan is."
The Person of the Holy Spirit came and convicted in our hearts all of us believers in Jesus:
When the Spirit comes, He convicts unbelievers, fallen sinners, of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Sinners, who are born in Adam, must believe in the resurrected Christ so that they may have Him as their righteousness. If they do not believe, they will ...[text shortened]... with the Triune God, who is dispensing Himself into us and mingling Himself with us.
Ok here is another answer to this spirit. Focus in on what it is saying here. It says the spirit convicts, and judges does it not at the beginning of this scripture? But what does the last line say? They will be judged by "God".
So if the spirit is seperate from God then why this statement at the end where it says God is the judge?
They are one in the same. This spirit or force belongs to God only and is his way of enforcing his will.
Originally posted by galveston75You are confusing the physical (material) with the spiritual by using mass.
Makes sense. A spirit being has no weight so that would apply to God, Jesus, the angels, satan and the demons also at least in the way we understand mass.
Mass only applies to physical objects not spiritual.
For dummies:
Does consciousness, wisdom, reason, and emotions have mass?
Does good and evil have mass?
Does love and hate have Mass?
Does life have Mass?
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Originally posted by galveston75You must use all of scripture if you are going to get a better understanding of the Holy Spirit in contrast to an evil spirit and any other spirit. The Spirit proceeds from the God and so did the the Son of God. But you must realize that Jesus spoke of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as distinct persons under ONE name when He told His disciples to baptize in that name.
"the Spirit of your Father " There is your answer. Not some individual spirit, not the spirit of Jesus, but God's spirit.... It belongs to him and only him.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
How is Jesus going to be with them always even by going away?
ANSWER: It is by the Holy Spirit.
(Matthew 28:18-20 NKJV)
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Originally posted by galveston75Remember too, that Jesus said that the Father judges no one, for all judgment has been given to the Son. Can't you see that when the Son judges it is the same as God judging, because the Son is a person in the Godhead with the Father and the Holy Spirit?
"When the Spirit comes, He convicts unbelievers, fallen sinners, of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Sinners, who are born in Adam, must believe in the resurrected Christ so that they may have Him as their righteousness. If they do not believe, they will be judged by God as Satan is."
Ok here is another answer to this spirit. Focus in on what it is in the same. This spirit or force belongs to God only and is his way of enforcing his will.
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
(John 5:22-23 NKJV)
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The word Person can be borrowed, I feel, from our limited human language to describe the Father as well as the Son as well as the Holy Spirit.
I use the word "borrow" in recognition that "persons" I would not press too far. To me stressing "persons" overly far can easily lead to an implication of three gods (tritheism).
But not pressing "persons" too far it is nonetheless helpful to see the Spirit also displays the mind, emotion, and will of "personhood".
The Father is a Person ~ intellect: Matt 6:32; emotion: Gen 6:6; will: Matt 6:9-10
The Son is a Person ~ intellect: John 2:25; emotion: John 11:35; will: John 6:38
The Holy Spirit is a Person ~ intellect: John 14:26; emotion: Eph 4:30; will: I Cor 12:11
Originally posted by RJHinds"Well, it seems the Holy Spirit has power, God has power, and Christ, as the Son of God, has power."
Well, it seems the Holy Spirit has power, God has power, and Christ, as the Son of God, has power.
As recorded in Matthew 26:64, Jesus said the following:
[b]"hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." (NASB)
"From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right han ess to the truth, the life (eternal life), and the way to the Father.
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Yes, All Three Persons share Omnipotence as one of their Eternal Attributes.