Originally posted by RJHindsNo one saw God the Father THIS time either!
Did not Jesus say that no one has seen God the Fater at any time?
So how could this be God the Father?
What Moses SAW was an "angel of the Lord"!
God the Father SPOKE to Moses out of the bush.
Why do you not get this? Is it too hard to believe God can do anything? He sent an "angel of the Lord" to the bush precisely BECAUSE "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." But the voice coming forth from the bush belonged to God the Father, the God of Abraham.
"Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God." -- Exodus 3:6
It's okay, obviously Moses didn't quite catch on right away either. He figured that since God was talking from the bush, then what appeared there in the bush must have been God. God had that base covered, however, by sending an angel to appear to Moses. It was still God speaking from the bush.
Seriously, man, it's all right there in Exodus 3.
Originally posted by SuzianneGood job!!!!
No one saw God the Father THIS time either!
What Moses SAW was an "angel of the Lord"!
God the Father SPOKE to Moses out of the bush.
Why do you not get this? Is it too hard to believe God can do anything? He sent an "angel of the Lord" to the bush precisely BECAUSE "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." But the v ...[text shortened]... till God speaking from the bush.
Seriously, man, it's all right there in Exodus 3.
Luke 1:34-35 (New International Reader's Version)
34 "How can this happen?" Mary asked the angel. "I am a virgin."
35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come to you. The power of the Most High God will cover you. So the holy one that is born will be called the Son of God.
This clearly explains that God's "power" is the same as the Holy Spirit. It is the conduit or channel that he uses to accomplish his will on humans as in the case of Mary. We know that humans cannot see God and live so God has the use of his power or spirit force to use in a case such as this.
Matthew 1:18 (New International Reader's Version)
18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about. His mother Mary and Joseph had promised to get married. But before they started to live together, it became clear that she was going to have a baby. She became pregnant by the power of the Holy Spirit.
This scripture confirms again the words "power and Holy Spirit".
Originally posted by galveston75Sorry, but I guess I'm with RJ on this one.
Luke 1:34-35 (New International Reader's Version)
34 "How can this happen?" Mary asked the angel. "I am a virgin."
35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come to you. The power of the Most High God will cover you. So the holy one that is born will be called the Son of God.
This clearly explains that God's "power" is the same as the Ho ...[text shortened]... and live so God has the use of his power or spirit force to use in a case such as this.
I know. I understand JWs do not adhere to the concept of a Triune God like most Christians do. Like RJ and I do.
I'm sure Robbie will come along any minute on his high horse and proclaim me to be "NOT A CHRISTIAN" because of this. Tough.
Originally posted by SuzianneI totally understand your beliefs and we really do respect them even though we tend to get excited about our viewpoint. But we mean no harm to anyone ever.....Thanks.
Sorry, but I guess I'm with RJ on this one.
I know. I understand JWs do not adhere to the concept of a Triune God like most Christians do. Like RJ and I do.
I'm sure Robbie will come along any minute on his high horse and proclaim me to be "NOT A CHRISTIAN" because of this. Tough.
Acts 2:32-33 (Today’s New International Version, ©2005)
32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
This scripture is interesting in that God gave to his son Jesus the promised "Holy Spirit".
If the Holy Spirit is already a part of God and Jesus as trinitarians believe, how can the Holy Spirit if it was a third being be recieved from God the Father into Jesus? Wouldn't he already have that 3rd being or the Holy Spirit already in him if they are truly 3 in 1 from eternity?
Perhaps the Holy Spirit or spirit or power of God is what this means?
Often when Jehovah Witnesses come to my door I would get on my knees and ask if they would join me in confessing that Jesus is Lord according to Philippians 2:10:
"Therefore also God highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
That in the name of Jesus everyknee should bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth amd under the earth,
And every tongue should openly confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."
I am happy to get down on my knees right there on my doorstep and openly confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
Never ONCE did a JW join me in getting on his or her knees to openly confess this highest of all names, Jesus Christ, as Lord.
They will never do it. So I know they are preaching "another Jesus" and they are not Christian disciples.
Originally posted by jaywillThere is only 1 Jesus and he is the (((((((( SON )))))) of God. The scripture your quoting here clearly is saying that and Jesus only gets his position because his Father gives that to him or as this says (((((( exaulted him and bestowed it on him )))))))))
Often when Jehovah Witnesses come to my door I would get on my knees and ask if they would join me in confessing that Jesus is Lord according to [b]Philippians 2:10:
"Therefore also God highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
That in the name of Jesus everyknee should bow, of those who are in heaven and ...[text shortened]... . So I know they are preaching [b]"another Jesus" and they are not Christian disciples.[/b]
And yes his name is higher then any other name that is under him but he is still not Jehovah his Father. Jesus in YOUR bible is called a "God" and a "Lord" but he is never, never, never, never called "Almighty God" and never called "LORD."
Father..Son, Father..Son, Father..Son, Father..Son, Father..Son, Father..Son, Father..Son.... What about this wording do you not understand? Do those words just look fuzzy and out of focus to you or something with no comprehension of what those words mean?
I am my fathers son but I am not my father. I am from my father as he produced me but I am not my father. And as hard as that seems to be to understand for trinitarians it means the same here on earth with humans as it does in heaven with God and his SON Jesus.
And why is the Holy Spirit never called either one at all anywhere in the Bible? Uhhhhh.... because it's neither maybe?
Such simple black and white scriptures that you even quote from and you are blind to the words on that page...................
Originally posted by galveston75Don't you remember, that before Jesus departed to heaven, He promised his
Acts 2:32-33 (Today’s New International Version, ©2005)
32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
This scripture is interesting in that God gave to his son Jesus the promised ...[text shortened]... 3 in 1 from eternity?
Perhaps the Holy Spirit or spirit or power of God is what this means?
disciples to ask God the Father to send another Help, the Holy Spirit, to guide
and teach them. You must start from the beginning to understand what is
being said here. Acts chapter 2 is about Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was
sent from heaven. Start with Acts 2:1 and then you should be able to
understand that in verse 32 the writer is trying to point out that what Jesus
had promised them had just taken place. Jesus had received the Helper,
the Holy Spirit, that Jesus promised to ask the Father for, and what they had
just seen and heard was the result of the outpouring of the Holly Spirit.
Originally posted by RJHindsAnd how was this Holy Spirit despenced to these people when it helped them? Did a spirit being show up either in flesh as Jesus and other angels have done in the past and identify itself as the Holy Spirit? Or did it at least show up in some fuzzy or ghostly form that these followers could at least see a little and talk too? In fact has anyone ever seen the Holy Spirit while were at it? Let me know..... Think on this reasonably with common sence which I know you have and tell me what the scriptures really say or not say here.
Don't you remember, that before Jesus departed to heaven, He promised his
disciples to ask God the Father to send another Help, the Holy Spirit, to guide
and teach them. You must start from the beginning to understand what is
being said here. Acts chapter 2 is about Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was
sent from heaven. Start with Acts 2:1 and then you s ...[text shortened]... r, and what they had
just seen and heard was the result of the outpouring of the Holly Spirit.
Originally posted by galveston75You would not need to ask these crazy questions if you would
And how was this Holy Spirit despenced to these people when it helped them? Did a spirit being show up either in flesh as Jesus and other angels have done in the past and identify itself as the Holy Spirit? Or did it at least show up in some fuzzy or ghostly form that these followers could at least see a little and talk too? In fact has anyone ever seen ...[text shortened]... h common sence which I know you have and tell me what the scriptures really say or not say here.
just read the Holy Bible in context. Stop reading the Jehovah's
Witnesses tracts and pamphlets and start reading a Good Bible
translation like the NASB and throw that NWT in the trash where
it belongs.
Originally posted by RJHindsOh my...What does you Bible say in responce to the questions I just asked you. I'm not looking at anything myself right now but a Bible.
You would not need to ask these crazy questions if you would
just read the Holy Bible in context. Stop reading the Jehovah's
Witnesses tracts and pamphlets and start reading a Good Bible
translation like the NASB and throw that NWT in the trash where
it belongs.
It seems your avoiding the questions because you can't answer them. Am I right?
Also if you look back at everyone of my post from day one here my friend I've never used postings from my Bible....