Originally posted by FMFIt is of some interest for me to note the different perceptions of the term God and how they differ from the term as it is utilised in scripture. From the Bible we are forced to acknowledge that a God is simply a powerful entity and may even be used with reference to human beings in positions of power and thus need not even be divine. Of course this is completely different from what is the commonly held view that a God need to be of a divine nature and that there is only a single God when clearly there are many mentioned often by name. Why the presence of these Gods makes one a Polytheist I cannot say, the idea seems somewhat preposterous as if the presence of many different kinds of art makes one a cubist or a surrealist.
Are you a "polytheist"?
11 Apr 15
Originally posted by sonshipCan you therfore tell us how it was that Paul under inspiration, you do believe Paul was inspired don't you? wrote the following?
[b]Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
The central ...[text shortened]... ess the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up in the last day." (John 6:44) [/b][/b]Thank you, the Bible states that Christ did not even consider himself equal to God you it was a necessity - that's all I needed to know. Did I not say that it is futile, thank you for proving the point.
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11 Apr 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are quite welcomed for allowing me the opportunity to prove your Arianism wrong.
Thank you, the Bible states that Christ did not even consider himself equal to God you it was a necessity - that's all I needed to know. Did I not say that it is futile, thank you for proving the point.
He did not count equality with God which He possessed "a treasure to be grasped ...". He possessed equality with God but counted it not a treasure to be grasped, but instead emptied Himself of that expression.
All that the Father gives to the Son will come to the Son.
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him ..." (John 6:44a)
Concerning Arians, Russelites, and Jehovah's Witnesses and other deniers that Christ is God incarnate ... "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us, but they went out that they might be manifested that they all are not of us." (1 John 1:19)
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is of some interest for me to note the different perceptions of the term God and how they differ from the term as it is utilised in scripture. From the Bible we are forced to acknowledge that a God is simply a powerful entity and may even be used with reference to human beings in positions of power and thus need not even be divine. Of course this is completely different from what is the commonly held view that a God need to be of a divine nature and that there is only a single God when clearly there are many mentioned often by name. Why the presence of these Gods makes one a Polytheist I cannot say, the idea seems somewhat preposterous as if the presence of many different kinds of art makes one a cubist or a surrealist.
Well, do you believe in the existence and presence of multiple Gods ~ as polytheists do ~ yes or no?
12 Apr 15
Originally posted by FMFKeep trying.
[b]It is of some interest for me to note the different perceptions of the term God and how they differ from the term as it is utilised in scripture. From the Bible we are forced to acknowledge that a God is simply a powerful entity and may even be used with reference to human beings in positions of power and thus need not even be divine. Of course this is comp ...[text shortened]... , do you believe in the existence and presence of multiple Gods ~ as polytheists do ~ yes or no?
The evidence is categorically that JWs are polytheists.
12 Apr 15
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Originally posted by FMFI dont know If I may be regarded as polytheist or not. I have merely commented on the Biblical use of the term God and how it is applied to not only deities but humans as well. It appears to me that you must therefore be willing to include humans in your understanding of what a polytheist is or the definition that you are using is not quite accurate in this instance or does not apply. The idea that someone can read the Bible and not come to an understanding that there are different personages and entities which are termed Gods seems quite ludicrous to me.
[b]It is of some interest for me to note the different perceptions of the term God and how they differ from the term as it is utilised in scripture. From the Bible we are forced to acknowledge that a God is simply a powerful entity and may even be used with reference to human beings in positions of power and thus need not even be divine. Of course this is comp ...[text shortened]... , do you believe in the existence and presence of multiple Gods ~ as polytheists do ~ yes or no?
12 Apr 15
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Originally posted by FMFOur position may be summed up by the following,
[b]It is of some interest for me to note the different perceptions of the term God and how they differ from the term as it is utilised in scripture. From the Bible we are forced to acknowledge that a God is simply a powerful entity and may even be used with reference to human beings in positions of power and thus need not even be divine. Of course this is comp ...[text shortened]... , do you believe in the existence and presence of multiple Gods ~ as polytheists do ~ yes or no?
For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. - 1 Corinthians 8 : 5.6
If you think this makes Jehovahs Witnesses Polytheists then fine. As far as I am concerned despite the fact that the Bible mentions the existence of many gods we worship only a single God, the Father.
13 Apr 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, I'm saying what I said on the previous page, which you chose to ignore:
Are you saying that the Bible doesn't mention the existence of other Gods, If yes on what basis are you saying that the Bible does not mention other Gods?
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end
I hardly think the terms: "Mighty God" "Everlasting Father" "wonderful, Councillor" "Prince of Peace"...can be applied to either Satan or the Angel Michael. That you think they can is a fantastic indictment of your error.
13 Apr 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are not being asked how others regard you, you are being asked how you regard yourself.
I dont know If I may be regarded as polytheist or not. I have merely commented on the Biblical use of the term God and how it is applied to not only deities but humans as well. It appears to me that you must therefore be willing to include humans in your understanding of what a polytheist is or the definition that you are using is not quite accurat ...[text shortened]... t there are different personages and entities which are termed Gods seems quite ludicrous to me.
Are you polytheist?
13 Apr 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow do you differentiate between "gods" and the "Mighty God" mentioned by Isaiah?
Our position may be summed up by the following,
For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. - 1 Cori ...[text shortened]... act that the Bible mentions the existence of many gods we worship only a single God, the Father.
13 Apr 15
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Originally posted by divegeesterAnd how about the Almighty God or God Almighty and Lord God Almighty of Genesis 35:11 and Revelation 11:17? And how about this God that is with God?
How do you differentiate between "gods" and the "Mighty God" mentioned by Isaiah?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(John 1:1)