The Most Important Writing to Understand

Originally posted by divegeester
Interesting thread. Here are my immediate thoughts:

Jer 31:33
"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Her 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says ...[text shortened]...
The most important writing is that which the Lord writes in the hearts and minds of his people.

"He who overcomes, him I will make a pillar in the temple of My God; and he shall by no means go out anymore, and I will write upon him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which descends out of heaven from My God, and My new name."

Originally posted by sonship
In fact, i would agree to the point that one day we can probably toss our Bibles into the lake of fire.

Originally posted by divegeester
Will the billions of Bibles being thrown into the lake make the flames burn hotter?

And while we are on the subject:
- Does the lake of fire have a shore?
- What if one of the unfortunates in the lake makes it to the shore and climbs out, will they stop burning?
- is the shore where Jesus and his angles will be spectating the choking carnage as des ...[text shortened]... come play with the saved in the green fields with the lambs and baby tigers?

Just wondering.

NO WAY TO
ESCAPE
THE TIME OF JUDGMENT

Perhaps some may think, "Since there is judgment, I will find a way to escape." No one should be so foolish; nevertheless, I am afraid that there might be some who have this foolish thought, so I will speak a little concerning this matter. They may think, "Everyone has to die, and judgment will come afterward. I will die and go to Hades. I will hide there and not come out. Those who have been good will be resurrected unto life. Those who have been evil will be resurrected unto condemnation. As for me, I will simply choose not to be resurrected; I will hide in Hades. Would that not be all right?" But this will not work.

Please listen to God's word: "Though they dig into Sheol, / From there My hand will take them" (Amos 9:2; cf. Psa. 139:8). You think that you can escape the judgment by hiding in Hades and by closing up the mouth of Hades. However, God's hand will take you out from there. Even if you can dig into Hades, and even if you can dig so deep that you cannot go any deeper, God's hand will still take you out from there.

Another group of people, today's scientists or aviators, may think that in the day of judgment they will fly an airplane to the sky and stay in the highest place to escape judgment. However, this way will not work. Please listen: "And though they go up into heaven, / From there I will bring them down" (Amos 9:2). You may climb up, but God will bring you down. Even though it takes much effort for you to climb, it is rather easy for God to bring you down.

Some may think, "I will escape to the high mountains and the bushes. Who then can find me?" However, the Word of God says, "And though they hide at the top of Carmel, / From there I will seek them and take them" (v. 3). You may think that there are so many trees in the high mountains that if you hide there you can escape judgment. But God will search and take you out.

Some may think that since they will not be able to hide in Hades, fly to heaven, or hide in the high mountains, they will escape to the bottom of the sea. However, God's Word says, "Though they hide themselves from My sight on the floor of the sea, / There I will command the serpent, and it will bite them" (v. 3). You may hide in the bottom of the sea, but God will command the serpent to bite you, and you will have nowhere to escape.

The few conditions mentioned above are just a few pictures that God has painted for you. You may be able to escape man's hand by going to Hades, heaven, high mountains, or the bottom of the sea, but you cannot escape the hand of God. According to the Bible, there is no way to escape and no way to reason.

Originally posted by sonship
NO WAY TO
ESCAPE
THE TIME OF JUDGMENT

Originally posted by divegeester

I place something here of value to those who rightfully regard the need for salvation from eternal damnation to be not a joke.

Originally posted by sonship
I place something here of value to those who rightfully regard the need for salvation from eternal damnation to be not a joke.

Originally posted by FMF
But surely your torturer God ideology is a "joke" (and a bad one ~ much more evil than anything going on in the world at the moment or anything in history) to people who simply don't believe it or who think it only reveals your own lack of moral compass (seeing as you subscribe to it)? Do you really think you can scare people into believing the same things as you do with your unbelievable, demented threats of torture?

" And I tell you My friends, Do not fear those who kill the body and afterwards have nothing more that they can do.

But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who, after killing, has authority to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, fear this One." (Luke 12:4,5)

" But the wicked are like the tossed sea, For it cannot be calm,

And there is no peace, says my God, for the wicked." (Isa. 57:20,21)

Originally posted by sonship
Yes. I think Jesus told men WHO they should fear and for WHAT legitimate reason. That is a specific teaching from the mouth of Christ as to who man should be in fear of and for what reason:

Originally posted by sonship
Face it. If you deserve to be tortured forever then you just deserve to be tortured forever - for spurning the Savior God who gave all to save you from your sinful self and its fruits.

In other words, sonship, the notion of "justice" you subscribe to and propagate is quite simply nonsensical. There is not a single coherent morally sound lesson that human beings can draw from it to govern their own behaviour and interactions with each other.

Any attempt by humans to emulate this "ultimate morality" that you espouse would constitute the most depraved evil that our species could ever dream of perpetrating. Nonsensical in THAT sense.

Originally posted by FMF
Jesus spoke about torturing billions upon billions of people [in a furnace] for eternity for a thoughtcrime?

Originally posted by FMF
In other words, sonship, the notion of "justice" you subscribe to and propagate is quite simply nonsensical. There is not a single coherent morally sound lesson that human beings can draw from it to govern their own behaviour and interactions with each other.

Any attempt by humans to emulate this "ultimate morality" that you espouse would constitute the most depraved evil that our species could ever dream of perpetrating. Nonsensical in THAT sense.

Long prison sentences are carried out by atheists.
Death sentences are not the sole form of punishment of theists.
Even strips, whippings are not only done by Christians trying to emulate eternal punishment.

Buddhist nations carry out hitting law breakers with a rod for a certain number of times.
US which is heavily influenced by Judeo / Christian tradition has laws against cruel and unusual punishment. According to your view the opposite should be the case - emulation of eternal punishment.

If mankind were able to "emulate" God in this way then Christ would not have pointed out that God possesses a farther reaching authority to punish more than man. So man should fear not to be reconciled to God much more than he fear what man can do.

And it is impossible that your concern for the lost exceeds that of the Savior.

At least one secular psychologist wrote a book decrying the fearlessness with which latter generations can commit evil acts - Whatever Happened to Hell? I believe was the title of the book.

While you consider not being reconciled to God as no big deal, I believe that the fear of God is the hatred of evil. It is also the beginning of wisdom.

Whatever figure in history you would like to point to as a champion against eternal punishment, I don't think the testimony of that person's life could be as gloriously exemplary as the life of Jesus Christ.

So I am going to believe in Christ's teaching in this and and all other aspects of His message "holistically."

Originally posted by sonship
I don't see how anyone can "emulate" eternal punishment.
And some who have levied out cruel and elongated punishment have often been from Atheist regimes rather than ones influenced by Judeo / Christian Scriptures.

Moslems with their Quran book would be in another category.
Mohammed poorly copied in his teaching some things he heard along the trade rou ...[text shortened]... coherent moral lesson and go out and punish people forever in order to "emulate" God is absurd.

Originally posted by sonship
So the accusation that to believe The Bible here leads to mass emulation of punishing people forever, is absurd.