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@secondson saidYou are either a liar or badly mistaken.
When I made that post your name didn't come to mind.
The post was in reply to one of my posts and directed straight at me.
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@secondson [i]said[/iSalvation has nothing to do with doctrines and formatted belief structures.
I can't definitively say that you are not a real believer because I don't recall you ever denying that salvation is a free gift and not a reward for performance.
You know very little about me; primarily because you can’t get past your Americanist visceral partisan hatred. You would know something of me if bothered to read my posts instead of focusing on the challenges I make.
I have repeatedly and unequivocally asserted that salvation is free but discipleship costs you everything. Salvation is achieved through faith and faith alone, it is access to the spirit which enables obedience to do good works as led by the spirit rather than works led by the flesh.
I couldn’t be clearer.
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@Rajk999
Why do you have no boldness to proclaim that you have eternal life?
I think the reason is that you have not come forward to God through the blood of Christ.
" Let us therefore come forward WITH BOLDNESS to the throne of grace ... " (Heb. 4:16a)
"Having therefore, brothers, BOLDNESS for entering the Holy of Holies in the blood of Jesus,
Which entrance He initiated for us as a new and living way through the veil, that is His flesh, ... Let us come forward to the Holy of Holies with a true heart in FULL ASSURANCE of faith,
having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water." (See Hebrews 10:19-22)
You seem to think your total lack of BOLDNESS is humility and carefulness to obey commandments in order to EARN the wages of eternal life.
Perhaps you should face your timidity for what it is, not a sense of responsibility to God but no boldness because of no redeeming blood of Christ.
Do you think you have graduated from the need for the redemption through Christ's shed blood ?
28 Oct 19
@sonship saidOh .. yes Jesus did say that the proud, pushy and the boastful will get eternal life. You damn fool. Paul said that you need to live righteously and keep your body in subjection otherwise you have nothing.
@Rajk999
Why do you have no boldness to proclaim that you have eternal life?
I think the reason is that you have not come forward to God through the blood of Christ.
[quote] [b]" Let us therefore come forward WITH BOLDNESS to the throne of grace ... " (Heb. 4:16a)
"Having therefore, brothers, BOLDNESS for entering the Holy of Holies in the blood of Jesus ...[text shortened]... .
Do you think you have graduated from the need for the redemption through Christ's shed blood ?
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@divegeester
He said to you, if you didn't notice -
I can't definitively say that you are not a real believer because I don't recall you ever denying that salvation is a free gift and not a reward for performance.
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@divegeester saidYou will find nowhere Jesus saying any such thing ... .. salvation is free but discipleship costs you everything. .
Salvation has nothing to do with doctrines and formatted belief structures.
You know very little about me; primarily because you can’t get past your Americanist visceral partisan hatred. You would know something of me if bothered to read my posts instead of focusing on the challenges I make.
I have repeatedly and unequivocally asserted that salvation is free but d ...[text shortened]... to do good works as led by the spirit rather than works led by the flesh.
I couldn’t be clearer.
The confusion arises because people confuse the expressions
saved,
salvation
eternal life
and other terms used by Paul
Paul was careful to warn born-again Christian saints in Christ who are saved that failure to live righteously means that there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God. Clearly SAVED is not necessarily ETERNAL LIFE.
One cannot just profess faith, and then continue on with a life of sin and evil and eventually get eternal life, as the churches [secondson, sonship etc] preach. Paul condemned that doctrine in very clear langauge.
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Oh .. yes Jesus did say that the proud, pushy and the boastful will get eternal life. You damn fool. Paul said that you need to live righteously and keep your body in subjection otherwise you have nothing.
The BOLDNESS which Hebrews speaks of is in Christ and not in what the believer can do.
And again, Paul's concern for being a castaway was that he would be saved yet lose the reward -
"If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer lost ..."
Or he will be a "castaway".
That is in regards to the reward of co-reigning with Christ.
But he does not lose the eternal life or the eternal salvation.
" ... he will suffer lose, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (See 1 Cor. 3:14,15)
At the conclusion of his ministry, he knew that he had fought the good fight and finished the course , kept the faith through all kinds of awful circumstances and trials.
So in the epistles to Timothy (his last) he is assured that he awaits from the righteous Judge a crown of righteousness.
"Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, with which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will recompense me in that day, and not only me but also those who have loved His appearing."( 2 Tim. 4:18)
This not the objective righteousness of justification by faith. This is reward of a crown for subjective righteous LIVING, keeping the faith throughout a tried and tested Christian walk.
Now at the end of his journey Paul is not concerned about being a possible castaway. He expects to be "recompensed" the reward in the millennium of a "crown of righteousness".
And that not from the gracious forgiving Savior but the righteous Judge.
That is Him before all Christians must one day give their account at the bema seat, the judgment seat of Christ.
28 Oct 19
@sonship saidNO INHERITANCE...
@Rajk999
Oh .. yes Jesus did say that the proud, pushy and the boastful will get eternal life. You damn fool. Paul said that you need to live righteously and keep your body in subjection otherwise you have nothing.
The BOLDNESS which Hebrews speaks of is in Christ and not in what the believer can do.
And again, Paul's concern for being a castaway ...[text shortened]... g Savior but the righteous Judge.
That is He before all Christians must one day give their account.
Got it?
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NO INHERITANCE...
Got it?
No inheritance of reward temporarily - not more than a thousand years.
But you still won't get it.
2.) The failure to distinguish between the discipline of the genuine Christians and the eternal salvation of the genuine Christians.
3.) The failure to differentiate between the kingdom of God and eternal life.
4.) The failure to differentiate between discipline of the saved Christian during the millennial kingdom and the eternal perishing of the unbeliever.
28 Oct 19
@sonship saidLive in your delusion that sin and evil will get you eternal life.
@Rajk999
NO INHERITANCE...
Got it?
No inheritance of reward temporarily - not more than a thousand years.
But you still won't get it.
2.) The failure to distinguish between the discipline of the genuine Christians and the eternal salvation of the genuine Christians.
3.) The failure to differentiate between the kingdom of God and eterna ...[text shortened]... e saved Christian during the millennial kingdom and the eternal perishing of the unbeliever.
Jesus is laughing are you and calling you a foolish man.
Sin cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.
Professions of faith cannot save you.
No inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ
No inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
None of them
Not the 1000 yrs
Not the New Jerusalem.
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Live in your delusion that sin and evil will get you eternal life.
Jesus is laughing are you and calling you a foolish man.
Rajk999 is trapped in blindness.
As to eternal life my sin and evil were judged on Calvary on the cross of Jesus.
God did not overlook or excuse them. He judged then.
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@sonship saidUtter rubbish. My eyes are wide open. Yours a shut to the truth.
@Rajk999
Live in your delusion that sin and evil will get you eternal life.
Jesus is laughing are you and calling you a foolish man.
Rajk999 is trapped in blindness.
As to eternal life my sin and evil were judged on Calvary on the cross of Jesus.
God did not overlook or excuse them. He judged then.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)
Those who sin after accepting Christ are a disgrace, and will be cast out. You will await the righteous judgment of God. Every man will be judged and face the appropriate reward or punishment. God is no respecter of persons.
For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:11-13 KJV)
28 Oct 19
@sonship saidSo?
@divegeester
He said to you, if you didn't notice -I can't definitively say that you are not a real believer because I don't recall you ever denying that salvation is a free gift and not a reward for performance.
I replied.
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@rajk999 saidIt wasn’t a quote
You will find nowhere Jesus saying any such thing ... .. salvation is free but discipleship costs you everything. .
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So?
I replied.
I am not going to spend too much time on it. But I thought you were complaining that he knew nothing about you.
What I read was him saying that and for that reason not being able to dismiss you as an unbeliever.
Second -
I can't definitively say that you are not a real believer because I don't recall you ever denying that salvation is a free gift and not a reward for performance.
Divegeester -
Salvation has nothing to do with doctrines and formatted belief structures.
You know very little about me; primarily because you can’t get past your Americanist visceral partisan hatred. You would know something of me if bothered to read my posts instead of focusing on the challenges I make.
I have repeatedly and unequivocally asserted that salvation is free but discipleship costs you everything. Salvation is achieved through faith and faith alone, it is access to the spirit which enables obedience to do good works as led by the spirit rather than works led by the flesh.
I couldn’t be clearer.
He said he could not remember you ever denying what you strongly affirm above.
Second -
I can't definitively say that you are not a real believer because I don't recall you ever denying that salvation is a free gift and not a reward for performance.
Am I missing something ?
If so, for real, thanks for the correction.
Back to the FOUR things to differentiate.