The Ox Goad god

Genesis only makes sense as a collection of folklore, refurbished mythologys and cultural rules. Any reading of it as literally true is bound to be the genesis of error in doctrine.
One possible and probable meaning of the Adam and Eve story is it's allegory of the change from a hunter-gatherer culture to an agricultural one.
The Garden was the range they traveled, the Forbidden fruit was the produce they saw when their travels took them to the farming area of the Sumerians, whose Serpent god enticed them to give up the gathering part. Only when they found they had to use a hoe to till the soil did they realize that farming was hard work .
Human nature, being what it is, the stories of their ancestors life in the forest changed from the hard hunger-driven search for food to an idyllic lifestyle almost like being children.
Into this setting came a technological innovation that changed not only farming but began to change the peoples view of god from the bull god that had been around for 10,000 years to a god that had more meaning in their daily life. The name they gave this god , shows both the relevance and the reason for the transition.
Aleph Lamed means Ox Goad and is pronounced the same as El

Originally posted by frogstomp

One possible and probable meaning of the Adam and Eve story is it's allegory of the change from a hunter-gatherer culture to an agricultural one.

Originally posted by frogstomp
Genesis only makes sense as a collection of folklore, refurbished mythologys and cultural rules. Any reading of it as literally true is bound to be the genesis of error in doctrine.
One possible and probable meaning of the Adam and Eve story is it's allegory of the change from a hunter-gatherer culture to an agricultural one.
The Garden was ...[text shortened]... nd the reason for the transition.
Aleph Lamed means Ox Goad and is pronounced the same as El

Originally posted by twhitehead
or you can take it to be folklore in which case I suspect your explanation for it is merely one of countless posible origins for the story and a highly unlikely one at that.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The Greeks had their myth of the golden, silver, bronze and iron ages. If I recall correctly the golden is said to correspond to the hunter gatherer age when people lived off the fruits of the land, eating edible acorns and hallucinogenic mushrooms (amongst other things). Agriculture brings with it property, hence ownership, law and restriction. Wouldn't it make more sense if Eden corresponded with the hunter-gatherer stage?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Different societies with different cultures such as hunter gatherers and farmers lived side by side in many parts of the world. Also the transition from one to the other is often gradual unless it is forced on a people by conquest.
However when it comes to genesis you can either take it as the inspired word of God, in which case you will need a Secret De ...[text shortened]... r it is merely one of countless posible origins for the story and a highly unlikely one at that.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Why do you find this one unlikely, and what other stories do you know of?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Now try to fit Little Red Riding Hood into your hunter gatherer - farmer hypothesis.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The best interpretation of Red Riding Hood I've heard is the obvious one, that it's about the risk of male sexual predators. It appears in Grimm's Maerchen, not the Bible, although stories of werewolves do go way back.

There are many interpretations of Adam & Eve & the Serpent, and not all of them are about punishment.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I have not seen a version with werewolves in. My point is that you take a farytale, which seems to be an innocent childrens story, and somehow read something about male sexual predators into it. I cirtainly never thought of it that way and whether the origional writer did we probably will never know. The post which started this thread claimed that his exp sen by him. He also assumes that it was written by a hebrew, which may or may not be the case.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I have not seen a version with werewolves in. My point is that you take a farytale, which seems to be an innocent childrens story, and somehow read something about male sexual predators into it. I cirtainly never thought of it that way and whether the origional writer did we probably will never know. The post which started this thread claimed that his exp ...[text shortened]... sen by him. He also assumes that it was written by a hebrew, which may or may not be the case.

Originally posted by twhitehead
The basics of the story are obvious. The garden is what almost anyone would consider a perfect world to be. Our own gardens are our attempts to make nature perfect for us. So the writer wanted people to think the world was created perfect so called it a garden.
Almost all cultures around the world consider the snake evil in some way. They are also often ...[text shortened]... ne person. Now try to fit Little Red Riding Hood into your hunter gatherer - farmer hypothesis.

Originally posted by frogstomp
btw in the biblical story it was a "serpent" not a snake.

http://www.crosscircle.com/CH_1d.htm

http://www.vibrani.com/serpent.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecgods.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/5789/serpent.htm

just a few.
also there was the protection that this new god offered the people at least the supposed help on th ...[text shortened]... ordered Joshua to perform , shows that the god of the Israelites was nothing new , or special.

Originally posted by frogstomp
As I have said, the god of the Israelites was just another protector god the ancients used to keep the flock in line.

Originally posted by Halitose
Trying to keep your dying thread going? 😛