23 Jun 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHMy data stands by it's own weight. The fact that we have more knowlege of the Sumerians than the guys that canonized the biblewould be very enlightening if you were capable of being enlightened, which you ain't, silly boy.
[b]Many years ago you chose the wrong path, silly boy ( the other was due to tiredness ) .
Thank you for your offer to right my path. Owing to your lack of experience and/or general incompetence, said offer has been rejected. However, you are encouraged to continue applying for your desired position of spiritual guide. (Perhaps it is tiredness ...[text shortened]... illy boy.[/b]
Gasp! Look of shock! You aren't? How could I have missed all the clues!?[/b]
No matter what you do or say the facts remain the OT god is a Canaanite polytheistic god that was given a hodgepodge of Sumerian mythological stories to give It creditability.
Moslems , Christians and Jews , You are all nutso ,if you thank that Thing cares about you.
That's not God and if you'd get off your holy joe crap ride you'd know it.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompYou haven't said one thing that's contradicts what I've been saying.
You haven't said one thing that's contradicts what I've been saying. except things like " real historians " don't agree and so what most "real" historians dont even think Moses wrote the Torah, or for that matter that there is a shread of historical evidence outside the New Testament that Christ ever existed.
But if you must continue to bel ...[text shortened]... said before " If that's God then you can shove him where the sun don't shine.
Does this mean we are in agreement? Boy, am I messed up. First, I had you as a Christian, and then I thought we were in disagreement as to the similarities ancient myths share with the biblical accounts. Truly, I need help.
go ahead and believe in it if you want to
Help me out. Does this mean you've granted me your permission? I wouldn't dare (knowingly) cross my mentor.
If that's God then you can shove him where the sun don't shine.
Funny you would mention the sun ceasing to shine. When God's use of human history is extinguished, He will create a new universe, where His glory will fill the entire creation. Is this where you intended me to shove Him?
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHOh btw , there's no offer to right your path , that aint my cross to bear.
[b]Many years ago you chose the wrong path, silly boy ( the other was due to tiredness ) .
Thank you for your offer to right my path. Owing to your lack of experience and/or general incompetence, said offer has been rejected. However, you are encouraged to continue applying for your desired position of spiritual guide. (Perhaps it is tiredness ...[text shortened]... illy boy.[/b]
Gasp! Look of shock! You aren't? How could I have missed all the clues!?[/b]
23 Jun 06
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHYeah, and then you can fill it with the same scatologicl remains that the OT filled this one with.
You haven't said one thing that's contradicts what I've been saying.
Does this mean we are in agreement? Boy, am I messed up. First, I had you as a Christian, and then I thought we were in disagreement as to the similarities ancient myths share with the biblical accounts. Truly, I need help.
go ahead and believe in it if you want to[/b re His glory will fill the entire creation. Is this where you intended me to shove Him?
I'm sorry that I might have misled you, silly boy, into thinking I was a christian, however Im not at all at odds with Christ's message, only the Father god part.and the trinity.This is for reasons that you may or may not ever discover, too bad though as I said , you aint my cross to bear.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompas I said , you aint my cross to bear.
Yeah, and then you can fill it with the same scatologicl remains that the OT filled this one with.
I'm sorry that I might have misled you, silly boy, into thinking I was a christian, however Im not at all at odds with Christ's message, only the Father god part.and the trinity.This is for reasons that you may or may not ever discover, too bad though as I said , you aint my cross to bear.
And yet, you persist. Truly Christ-like, you are.
23 Jun 06
Now back to the main event.
Marduk : from the 5th tablet of the Enuma Elish
15. "At the beginning of the month, when thou shinest upon the land,
16. "Thou commandest the horns to determine six days,
17. "And on the seventh day to [divide] the crown.
seems like they "borrowed" god's day of rest from the Sumerian calendar.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompContinuing with the flood story:
Now back to the main event.
Marduk : from the 5th tablet of the Enuma Elish
15. "At the beginning of the month, when thou shinest upon the land,
16. "Thou commandest the horns to determine six days,
17. "And on the seventh day to [divide] the crown.
seems like they "borrowed" god's day of rest from the Sumerian calendar.
At that time, Ziusudra was king and lustration priest. He fashioned, being a seer, the god of giddiness and stood in awe beside it, wording his wishes humbly.
As he stood there regularly day after day something that was not a dream was appearing: conversation a swearing of oaths by heaven and earth, a touching of throats and the gods bringing their thwarts up to Kiur.
And as Ziusudra stood there beside it, he went on hearing:
"Step up to the wall to my left and listen! Let me speak a word to you at the wall and may you grasp what I say, may you heed my advice! By our hand a flood will sweep over the cities of the half-bushel baskets, and the country; the decision, that mankind is to be destroyed has been made".
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompjeez I give you all that time to reveal that Marduk and the Enuma Elish was Akkadian and not Sumerian , and you didn't even know that.
Now back to the main event.
Marduk : from the 5th tablet of the Enuma Elish
15. "At the beginning of the month, when thou shinest upon the land,
16. "Thou commandest the horns to determine six days,
17. "And on the seventh day to [divide] the crown.
seems like they "borrowed" god's day of rest from the Sumerian calendar.
Hah!! maybe you need some "real" historian to help you out , silly boy.
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompThat's fallacious reasoning.
You think the Sumerian gods were false , but yet your religion was built on the stories about them. My take is , if the stories were true then the gods would also be true, which of course they aren't true, so neither is the god that's depicted in Genesis.
If a murder is committed and two people confess to the crime, neither can possibly be guilty?
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerIt would only be fallacious reasoning if the stories didn't come before the god was attached to them, in this case it's evident that the god El was attached well after the original gods.So the case isn't as simple as are the stories true it doesnt matter as far as the secondary attachment is concerned he cannot be the originator of the stories and so must be a phony god.
That's fallacious reasoning.
If a murder is committed and two people confess to the crime, neither can possibly be guilty?
Thats if you really think the OT has true stories in it.
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompSorry, master, was there a contest afoot, of which I was not aware? Oh, I see. You made a false statement and I was to correct it. Forgive me for not sitting by my computer waiting for your next post, master. My lack of humility must be addressed immediately. Does the master wish to spank?
jeez I give you all that time to reveal that Marduk and the Enuma Elish was Akkadian and not Sumerian , and you didn't even know that.
Hah!! maybe you need some "real" historian to help you out , silly boy.
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHNah , with your god stuck so far up there , it must be painful enough.
Sorry, master, was there a contest afoot, of which I was not aware? Oh, I see. You made a false statement and I was to correct it. Forgive me for not sitting by my computer waiting for your next post, master. My lack of humility must be addressed immediately. Does the master wish to spank?
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompTell you what. When you get out of junior high school and you need some pointers about how to fit in with the cool kids of your freshman/sophomore class, give me a holler, and I'll let you talk to one of my sons.
Nah , with your god stuck so far up there , it must be painful enough.
I'm sure they can give you some pointers on mixing in.
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnd yet,,, you haven't once answered anything I've pointed out, silly boy. Unless you consider your punkisms answering.
Tell you what. When you get out of junior high school and you need some pointers about how to fit in with the cool kids of your freshman/sophomore class, give me a holler, and I'll let you talk to one of my sons.
I'm sure they can give you some pointers on mixing in.
24 Jun 06
Back to the subject once again:
some dates and stuff from:
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=1xvhss7i7csja?tname=sumer&sbid=lc10a
At any rate, as modern excavations have shown, there was in the 5th millennium B.C. a prehistoric village culture in the area. By 3000 B.C. a flourishing urban civilization existed. Sumerian civilization was predominantly agricultural and had a well-organized communal life.
From the earliest times the Semites were in contact with Sumerian culture, and the increasing Semitic strength, which was already present in the north, culminated in the establishment (c.2340) of the Akkadian dynasty by Sargon, who for the first time imposed a wide imperial organization over the whole of Mesopotamia.
Sargon btw is the guy that Moses borrowed his boat ride from.