The Ox Goad god

Originally posted by frogstomp
yeah, I could say that, but I wont because it's not true.
Infinite space, I can deal with, but not infinite complexity or power or any of the infinites applied to a being.

Your OK with infinite space but not an infinite Being? This would make sense if reality were nothing but a vacuum. Unfortunatly we have such things as microbes and plants and people and galaxies to account for. Pity, no?

Originally posted by frogstomp
Ok that interuptions over, Catal Huyck, anyone?

3:23 Therefore the
LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Anatolia is west of Mesopotamia .

Originally posted by frogstomp
3:23 Therefore the
LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Anatolia is west of Mesopotamia .

It seems like people don't want to discus how the Sumerians got to Sumer to start with. If they came from the west ,(Anatolia) that's where the earliest altar was discovered and if there's a connection between the gods that were worshiped there and the gods of Sumer, that will possibly make god tracable back to the mother goddess of europe.

Originally posted by frogstomp
if there's a connection between the gods that were worshiped there and the gods of Sumer, that will possibly make god tracable back to the mother goddess of europe.

She of whom the BVM is an ersatz reflection?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
She of whom the BVM is an ersatz reflection?

thank you

Originally posted by frogstomp
thank you

The Sumerians couldn't remember where they came from. How old the stories were.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The Sumerians couldn't remember where they came from. How old the stories were.

the altar was possibly 5000 years before them,from before the Thracians when there had been a proto-civilization there.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Why should the universe, for that matter? Just because our sense of logic demands it?

You'd better ask the turtle fans.

Whether the universe has a beginning or not is still a matter of contention in the scientific world. The Big Bang theory is what it is, a theory.

Originally posted by frogstomp
And you can't square a circle ,or find an absolute value or Pi , either. Nothing about a circle is relevant to this thread.And as far as infinite complexity thats precisely why god would need a begining.

Froggy: "And as far as infinite complexity thats precisely why god would need a begining."

Please explain.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
You'd better ask the turtle fans.

Whether the universe has a beginning or not is still a matter of contention in the scientific world. The Big Bang theory is what it is, a theory.

try not to confuse the word theory with the word theory.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Froggy: "And as far as infinite complexity thats precisely why god would need a begining."

Please explain.

simplification , my dear Ivanhoe, simplification

Originally posted by frogstomp
It seems like people don't want to discus how the Sumerians got to Sumer to start with. If they came from the west ,(Anatolia) that's where the earliest altar was discovered and if there's a connection between the gods that were worshiped there and the gods of Sumer, that will possibly make god tracable back to the mother goddess of europe.

How would you go about finding a connection?

The shift from Dominatrix to Dominus was quite a drawn-out, bloody affair, if the history books are to be trusted.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
How would you go about finding a connection?

The shift from Dominatrix to Dominus was quite a drawn-out, bloody affair, if the history books are to be trusted.

it took 20000 years if I remember the timeline ,for the Bull to displace the Mother.
I also think it was a normal switch, due to our development.
The early gnostics thought it was a improvement in our connection to the supreme being, I'm not so sure that there ever was being like that.The question is: Did they develop those proto religions naturally or was that all of the Spirit that they could understand?

Originally posted by frogstomp
it took 20000 years if I remember the timeline ,for the Bull to displace the Mother.
I also think it was a normal switch, due to our development.
The early gnostics thought it was a improvement in our connection to the supreme being, I'm not so sure that there ever was being like that.The question is: Did they develop those proto religions naturally or was that all of the Spirit that they could understand?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, unless its how the god(s) may have presented themselves to the human race way back when. Dreamtime clocks.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, unless its how the god(s) may have presented themselves to the human race way back when. Dreamtime clocks.

nah, who says there's anything at all to supernatural intelligence?