The Pharisee and the Tax Collector

@fmf said
You appear to have understood neither dj2becker's line of questioning nor my answers.

I don't care about dj2becher's line of questioning nor your answers to him. I saw
the one post I responded too as interesting and put a question to you about it.

@kellyjay said
I don't care about dj2becher's line of questioning nor your answers to him. I saw
the one post I responded too as interesting and put a question to you about it.

If you admit to not caring about the meaning and context of the thing I posted - to which you are responding - then you are a buffoon.

@fmf said
If you admit to not caring about the meaning and context of the thing I posted - to which you are responding - then you are a buffoon.

Brother, I don't care because I wasn't following your two's conversation, if you can
sat aside you high horse and answer my question that would be great. If you want
to rant and belittle I'll just write this is off as another topic have you don't like
talking about and move on.

@kellyjay said
If it is truth you are seeking isn't
that going to be independent on what it is you like and dislike?

The "truth" I get from interacting with you relates to my interest in the human condition. Interacting with you generates information for me about the impact of religiosity on intellectual and interpersonal skills and integrity - something I am personally interested in.

@kellyjay said
Brother, I don't care because I wasn't following your two's conversation

You are a fool then.

@kellyjay said
I don't care about dj2becher's line of questioning nor your answers to him.

If you are not interested in what I said or what it meant, then so be it. But this was the lead up to it:

If Christian beliefs give someone solace, a sense of purpose in life, and a way of coming to terms with the inevitability of death ~ plus if it helps them to behave in a morally sound way ~ I think: good for them and each to their own. I also support diversity and the freedom of religion as long as it does not impinge on the rights of others or lead to illegal or immoral acts. I live among Christians - I always have - many of the people I love most dearly are Christians - I work with them, for them, I support them, and I have respect for their spiritual beliefs. None of this rules me out of discussing religious issues on a forum such as this.

People can believe what they want - I respect their freedom to do so - but if these kinds of things are up for debate on a forum such as this - I am going scrutinize them and share my perspectives. I believe that "eternal torture" is morally incoherent. Some of the Christians I most love and respect in this world believe in it.

I do not have the highest respect for all people who believe in eternal torture.

I can't think of any torturer god ideologues here where any lack of personal respect I may have for them is caused by their religious doctrine. It's just a figment of their imagination, after all.

The cause is more likely to be a lack of integrity as manifested in their use of logical fallacies or their jerk-creep interpersonal behaviour.

@fmf said
The "truth" I get from interacting with you relates to my interest in the human condition. Interacting with you generates information for me about the impact of religiosity on intellectual and interpersonal skills and integrity - something I am personally interested in.

Sorry we got off on the wrong foot here. What I should have done and didn't think
about it before my last response was start a new thread to you instead of jumping
in yours changing the subject, my bad, sorry.

I will start a new thread if you want, if it doesn't matter to you I'll ask this here.
That isn't addressing my question, I get you gather information, you use that to
form your opinions about topics that interest you. Conclusions about truth are
what I am interested in. Do you feel all conclusions must be about things that
are liked and approved of by those who hold them? You were saying you didn't
have high opinion of those that believed in Hell, or something like that. If those
that believe in it do so because of who they are, that is one thing, if it is because
they believe it truth no matter their feeling on the topic that is another. If it is
the ladder why would you have a low opinion of them, if all truth is what we like,
is that really truth or personal opinion?

@fmf said
You are a fool then.

You must have a high opinion of you two that people must follow your
conversations or they are fools.

@kellyjay said
You must have a high opinion of you two that people must follow your
conversations or they are fools.

You are a fool for asking me about what something I said means when, if you just read what I said, then you would know what it means. It's not a case of having "a high opinion" of anyone, it's just normal joined-up intellectual and interpersonal behaviour while involved in discourse.

@kellyjay said
Sorry we got off on the wrong foot here. What I should have done and didn't think
about it before my last response was start a new thread to you instead of jumping
in yours changing the subject, my bad, sorry.

So you're just going to ignore what I posted for you?

@fmf said
You are a fool for asking me about what something I said means when, if you just read what I said, then you would know what it means. It's not a case of having "a high opinion" of anyone, it's just normal joined-up intellectual and interpersonal behaviour while involved in discourse.

Oh, so I have to go read all the pages of this before I ask a question. Okay, color me
a fool, not always going to do that. Do you read every post in thread before you
say anything or ask a question?

@kellyjay said
You were saying you didn't
have high opinion of those that believed in Hell, or something like that.

No, I wasn't saying that. You are being an oaf.

@kellyjay said
Oh, so I have to go read all the pages of this before I ask a question.

You can just read what I have posted on this page in answer to you.

@kellyjay said
Do you feel all conclusions must be about things that
are liked and approved of by those who hold them?

You just need to read what I have posted for you.

@kellyjay said
I will start a new thread if you want, if it doesn't matter to you I'll ask this here.

And then what? You want me to copy stuff from here and paste it on your new thread?