Originally posted by jaywillSo the "prophecy" wasn't totally fulfilled, but at some unknown time in the future SOME OF IT will be. How convenient!
[b]I don't think the government was upon the shoulders of Jesus.
That is because you count His patience with you that you would come to repentence, as His not ruling.
But God desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth. You should not count His merciful patience with unrepentent sinners as His weakness to no tablish His the lordship in your heart in love. Many of us are walking in His kingdom already.[/b]
Jews, of course, reject that the Messiah prophesied in Isiah has come to earth yet. The wording of the passages pretty clearly support this position.
EDIT: Here's a brief discussion from a Jewish website as to why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-jesus/jews-jesus-index.html
So the "prophecy" wasn't totally fulfilled, but at some unknown time in the future SOME OF IT will be. How convenient!
Why should it surprise you that God unfolds His purposes gradually? When Moses came to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and into the promise land did it not gradually unfold over a period of time?
Those who murmered and complained eventually sought to stone Moses in their disbelief. They even wanted to return to the iron furnace of Egypt which they then ironically called the land flowing with milk and honey.
Just think of the all the human beings who have walked on the earth since human history. Who has behaved himself more like a Mighty God than Jesus of Nazareth? Of all men who have taught and performed deeds, who more like Jesus has behaved like a Son of God and like an Eternal Father?
Abraham did not stagger in unbelief because he buried his wife in the promise land and died there himself. He believed in the God Who calls not being as being and Who raises the dead. And his faith was and will be vindicated.
Like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, we believers would rather utilize the time to maximize the amount of our lives we can turn over to God. When the new age does come we want to have been wise to allow the Spirit of God to have permeated and saturated every part of our inward being.
So the delay of the final climax of history is quite useful to us. The only thing we will carry into the next world is the amount of Jesus Christ that has been wrought and worked into our beings by the Holy Spirit.
We are like a cup of hot water. And Jesus Christ is like a tea bag. God seeks to permeat our being with the saturation of the flavor of Jesus. This takes time.
Those who complain about the delay of the second coming of Christ and neglect to be filled with His Spirit will be like the foolish virgins who had no oil when the Bridegroom appeared (Matt. 25).
We need time to turn over more and more of our personality to Christ. First we need to receive Him into us as repentant sinners. Then we need to progressively and gradually turn over our mind, emotion, and will to the saturation of the Holy Spirit.
The only thing we can carry from this age to the age to come is the Christ Jesus that has soaked and flavored our whole being. We need to utilize the time to receive Christ and be filled up with Christ.
In the age to come our money will be useless. Our fame and our fortune will be useless.
What will be of use in the world to come? What will be of value in the coming kingdom of God on this earth?
Only the Christ that has filled our personality will be of any eternal value. The more He fills our hearts - our minds and emotions and wills, the more we will possess the "capital" and the riches of the coming kingdom of Christ and of God.
It behooves the prudent man or woman to realize the only the Christ wrought into their being by the Holy Spirit will be of value in the coming world.
It is better to lose now and gain in the end then it is to gain now and lose everything in the end.
We need to allow our souls to be filled up with the Spirit of the resurrected Son of God. This is the divine - everlasting "currency" of the coming inhabited earth in God's kingdom.
Originally posted by jaywillIt surprises me when people can't read and/or when they absolutely refuse to consider any other material but what they have been brainwashed with.
[b]So the "prophecy" wasn't totally fulfilled, but at some unknown time in the future SOME OF IT will be. How convenient!
Why should it surprise you that God unfolds His purposes gradually? When Moses came to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and into the promise land did it not gradually unfold over a period of time?
Those who murmered ...[text shortened]... e amount of Jesus Christ that has been wrought and worked into our beings by the Holy Spirit.[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillGod likes teabaggin'?
We are like a cup of hot water. And Jesus Christ is like a tea bag. God seeks to permeat our being with the saturation of the flavor of Jesus. This takes time.
Those who complain about the delay of the second coming of Christ and neglect to be filled with His Spirit will be like the foolish virgins who had no oil when the Bridegroom appeared (Matt. 25). ...[text shortened]... red our whole being. We need to utilize the time to receive Christ and be filled up with Christ.
Originally posted by no1marauderIts kind of upsetting to see someone who believes so strongly, isn't it?
It surprises me when people can't read and/or when they absolutely refuse to consider any other material but what they have been brainwashed with.
I remember when people who talked about Jesus as if they were just with Him kind of scared me too.
I don't mean to alarm you but there is such a thing as someone knowing what they are talking about.
Originally posted by jaywillYou sound like someone trying to talk yourself into something. It's not "upsetting"; it is kinda pathetic.
Its kind of upsetting to see someone who believes so strongly, isn't it?
I remember when people who talked about Jesus as if they were just with Him kind of scared me too.
I don't mean to alarm you but there is such a thing as someone knowing what they are talking about.
Originally posted by LemonJelloThis is an analogy with the tea. The tesification of water is the permeation of the water with the essence of the tea bag. The water is mingled with the element of the tea. The result is "tea water" or what we call simply tea.
God likes teabaggin'?
As the water undergoes teafrication so the saved under go deification. This is the process of being filled with the Spirit of Christ. We could call this Christification.
You see too much religion misunderstands the new birth. They regard being "born again" as an end in itself. They regard the new birth as a ticket to heaven. They regard being born again as receiving a ticket which reads "Admit One".
But to be born again is for growth again. The new birth is for growth and maturity in the process of Christ growing in us and filling us up.
He is dispensed into the innermost part of man's being, the human spirit. From the human spirit He seeks ever to spread and saturate the personality.
Look at the sumbol of the Israelites in the desert. Instead of the Egyptian diet that they had in slavary, God fed them with MANNA. That was a kind of bread from heaven. MANNA means "What is it?"
The eating of this MANNA for 40 years caused the Isrealites to be saturated in the fibers of their tissues with MANNA. The heavenly food came down and fed them for 40 years. Their constitution was filled up with this food. This is a picture of the truwe bread Jesus Christ. He said that He was the bread of life which came down from heaven.
Christ is the reality of this heavenly "What is it" - the MANNA. If we take Christ in also our spiritual constitution will be saturated with Christ.
It is the flavor Christ as the Bread of Life that we must be saturated with in order to enter into the good land of the next age.
To take Christ into us is to "eat" Him. And if we "eat" Him we will live because of Him. We are what we eat.
"For the bread of God is He who comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world" (John 6:33)
"I am the living bread which came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever" (John 6:51)
He came down from heaven not by way of elevator or helicopter. He came down from heaven by way of incarnation.
He came down by way of incarnation and taught - "I am the bread of life" (John 6:48)
We take Him into our being when we believe and call on His name to receive Him. Then as we abide in the sphere and realm of the Spirit of Christ we "eat" Him and live through Him -
"As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he shall live because of Me" (John 6:57)
So a good prayer is "Lord Jesus, today I want to eat you. I want to take you into me Lord Jesus and eat you that I may live because of you."
Originally posted by jaywillUhm.....okay. Sounds tearrific.
This is an analogy with the tea. The tesification of water is the permeation of the water with the essence of the tea bag. The water is mingled with the element of the tea. The result is "tea water" or what we call simply tea.
As the water undergoes teafrication so the saved under go deification. This is the process of being filled with the Spirit of Chr ...[text shortened]... e you into me Lord Jesus and eat you that I may live because of you."
He came down from heaven not by way of elevator or helicopter.
Wonkavator, then?
Originally posted by jaywill"Reality is more fascinating than fiction by far"
Therefore are two great operations of God. The second is greater than the first, I think.
First there is God creates. Secondly there is God dispenses Himself into His creatures.
First God calls into existence a environment for His creatures to exist - the universe. Second God goes through a process in which He consummates Himself into a form in which ...[text shortened]... life giving Spirit [b](1 Cor. 15:45)
Reality is more fascinating than fiction by far.[/b]
Here is a list of what you know about reality:
The End.
While the comedians work on their cute little one and two liners I'll continue with the subject of the Processed Triune God.
For Jesus to discribe Himself as "the bread of life" is significant. This too indicates God passing through a kind of processesing. Just as bread is prepared and cooked so the God passed through two great BECAMES in order to prepare Himself to be distributed into man to be man's eternal life:
1.) The Word became flesh (John 1:14)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men" John 1:1-4
This passages establishes the absolute Deity of Christ as the Eternal God through Whom all creation came into being.
Then the first BECAME speaks of the Word's incarnation in verse 14.
"And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us (and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only Begotten from the Father, full of grace and reality" (John 1:14)
Some time after the creation of all things through the living Word of God He took up a tabernacle in humanity. The Word became flesh. God became incarnate.
Many do not realize that He did not become incarnate only to be an object of worship as our Lord and Savior. He became incarnate also to prepare a Life which He will then dispense into man. This life includes all the stages of human living which He passed through. It also includes His death and resurrection. These experiences were not only for the sinner's redemtion. They were also to prepare a life imparting PNEUMA or Spirit, to impart into man.
So we have the second great BECAME in the New Testament:
2.) The last Adam became a life giving Spirit. (1 Cor. 15:45)
"So also it is written, The first man, Adam, became a living soul; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
The "last Adam" is Christ, Who is also the Word Who was God Who became flesh. Now in this second great "BECAME" Christ became the life giving Spirit.
To give life in the New Testament means to give God Himself AS life. God gives Himself in Christ as the life giving Spirit to regenerate man for a union of God and man.
The Spirit of God is eternal. But since the resurrection of Jesus Christ the Spirit of God was compounded with all the ingredients which make up the incarnation, life, death, and resurrection of the God-man Jesus Christ. He became a life giving Spirit to be dispensed into us that God in Christ might be our life.
This life giving Spirit that Christ became is also called "the Spirit of reality". And to receive Christ in His pneumatic form as the Holy life giving Spirit is to be comforted by the "Spirit of reality". Right here the Bible teaches us this:
Jesus says "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, the He may be with you forever. Even the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him; but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you" (John 14:16-17)
Christ becoming "a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) is identical with Christ asking the Father to send "Another Comforter ... the Spirit of reality". He will be with the disciples forever.
The world does not behold this Spirit of reality. But the lovers of Christ will receive this Spirit of reality and enjoy His comforting - "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever ..."
The "another Comforter" is actually Jesus the first Comforter in another form. The last Adam (the first Comforter) became a life giving Spirit (the another Comforter).
The first Comforter was with the disciples. But He was just about to be in the diciples:
" ... the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold HIm or know Him; but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you." (John 14:17)
Christ Jesus was abiding WITH them. But He was about to go through death and resurrection. In resurrection He would become a life giving Spirit, the Spirit of reality, to be dispensed INTO the disciples. So HE was with them abiding but was soon to be in them.
In the nest verse 18 the "He" changes to "I" suddenly. This proves that the Comforter, the Spirit of reality is Christ in another form:
"I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you." (John 14:18)
The sending of the Son of the "another Comforter" is therefore Christ coming to them and not leaving them as orphans. Today Jesus Christ has not left His believers as orphans. He is coming to us as the life giving Spirit. He was with us. But in resurrection He comes to be in us. He comes to be in us even though the world cannot behold Him. He comes as the Spirit of reality. He comes as the Third Person of the Trinity. HE comes in His pneumatic form. Pneuma means "breath" or "spirit". This conveys how the non-material life giving Spirit whom the world cannot behold or know, comes to be dispensed into the believers in Christ.
The life giving Spirit is also the reality giving Spirit.
"Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom" (2 Cor. 3:17)
Originally posted by no1marauderPlease show me where I CUT and PASTED the above paragraphs.
For those who find this cut and pasted blather boring beyond belief, here's the catchy, little Processed Triune God song: http://www.hymnal.net/cgi-bin/hymns/index?t=ns&n=32
EDIT: Apparently, he's "consummated", too.
Let us see from where these paragraphs were CUT.