So being a follower of Jesus Christ is really receiving Christ Himself in His form as "the life giving Spirit".
He said that He came that we may have life - " ... I have come that they may have life and may have it abundantly" (John 10:10)
This life He came to give us abundantly is simply Himself in His form as the life giving Spirit - " ... the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
He came to give us the divine life, and He Himself is that divine life - "I am the way and the reality and the life ...." (John 14:6)
The life giving Spirit is Christ Himself in His pneumatic form. The Triune God is consummated into His ultimate expression as the PNEUMATIC Christ. That is the pneumatized Christ who is the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
To receive the life giving Spirit, Who is Christ in His pneumatized form, is therefore to receive Christ Himself pure and simple. So the Apostle John speaks of receiving Him:
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God ,,," (John 1:12)
A man or woman, a boy or girl, must open up their inner being and receive Christ into them as the lfie givng Spirit. He gives Himself to us as the eternal life. To receive this life is to be reborn. It is to be spiritually born again. It is having God born into your being. It is having Jesus Christ born within you. And it is the believer being born of God to have an "organic" union with God.
Christ then lives in the receiver and they have become a part of the divine family:
"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:26)
The believers are born of God, have received Jesus Christ, have received the bountiful supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, have received Christ Himself in His pneumatic form. Therefore Christ Himself lives in them. So Paul reminds the Corinthian Christians that Jesus Christ is in them:
"Test yourselves whether you are in the faith; prove yourselves, Or do you not realize about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you?" (2 Cor. 13:5)
Listen, you fellas who are quarreling with one another. This is very good revelation that I am sharing with you.
Listen please. We have the blueprint now to the kingdom. We have the blueprint to the coming next age. We have the plan. We have the big picture. God has not left us to grope in the dark.
This is not knowledge for an elite select group. This is revelation for the common man and woman. We have know what God is doing and how we can cooperate with God to turn this age and bring in the peace and justice to the earth which all nations long for.
Please stop squabbling with one another. If you have to quabble, squabble with this revelation so that I have at least a chance to convince you that it is really so.
Jesus Christ has been processed and put into something like an all-inclusive, healthy, germ killing, fantastic beverage. If we learn to drink this "beverage" we .... will .... be ..... filled .... up .... with Christ as our life and power and unity and love and wisdom. We will drink the Triune God unto being saturated with the Triune God.
We need to learn more about this "drink", this "beverage" called the life giving Spirit. God is in a spiritual drink.
This life giving Spirit contains the wisdom of Christ, the endurance of Christ, the long suffering of Christ, the love of Christ, the power of Christ, the Father moving powerful prayers of Christ, the death of Christ, the resurrection and exaltation of Christ.
These riches as APPLIED to us as we drink in this life giving Spirit. These spiritual ingredients begin to saturate our personality as we soak up the life giving Spirit of Christ - calling on His name and lingering in His presence. As we prayerfully read His word and open our lives up to Him more and more - He saturates and permeates us for the sake of the building up of His kingdom.
We can enter into the coming kingdom from the inside out. First our inner being is brought into the kingdom of Christ. Latter our physical bodies will be transfigured and brought into the kingdom.
The way is in this all-inclusive life giving "beverage" - the drinkable Holy Spirit of the Processed Triune God.
Originally posted by jaywillSorry, it's a myth. A just God does not sentence people of varying degrees of evil to the same punishment. An omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God does not make all people with an inherent tendency towards evil, then blame those people for his design error.
Listen, you fellas who are quarreling with one another. This is very good revelation that I am sharing with you.
Listen please. We have the blueprint now to the kingdom. We have the blueprint to the coming next age. We have the plan. We have the big picture. God has not left us to grope in the dark.
This is not knowledge for an elite sele ...[text shortened]... nclusive life giving "beverage" - the drinkable Holy Spirit of the Processed Triune God.
I still have not figured out why you're taking this ancient 'revelation' and marketing it like a KevaJuice product. Maybe for the unintentional entertainment? You could call it "Jesus Juice" and hire Michael Jackson as your celebrity endorser.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemA just God does not sentence people of varying degrees of evil to the same punishment.
Sorry, it's a myth. A just God does not sentence people of varying degrees of evil to the same punishment. An omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God does not make all people with an inherent tendency towards evil, then blame those people for his design error.
I still have not figured out why you're taking this ancient 'revelation' and marketin ...[text shortened]... ment? You could call it "Jesus Juice" and hire Michael Jackson as your celebrity endorser.
1. The "varying degrees of evil," (ostensibly, sin) has been blotted out. No one goes to hell for the sins of which you speak. No one ever goes to hell for sin. No one will ever go to hell on account of personal sin. The only folks who go to hell go there for their unbelief.
2. The worst sin of all is calling God a liar. All the other sins--- while reprehensible to us in varying degrees--- are chicken feed to denying God His proper (and appropriate) glory.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemWhen the only tool one has is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
Sorry, it's a myth. A just God does not sentence people of varying degrees of evil to the same punishment. An omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect God does not make all people with an inherent tendency towards evil, then blame those people for his design error.
I still have not figured out why you're taking this ancient 'revelation' and marketin ...[text shortened]... ment? You could call it "Jesus Juice" and hire Michael Jackson as your celebrity endorser.
I am not even discussing "sentencing" and "condemnation" here. Wrong debate. Try the room next door.
As for the gospel being a myth? The deceived have been claiming that for two thousand of years. It is you who are being ripped off. And it is you who are being hoodwinked and deceived.
I want no part of your deception.
Damnation is not the only subject in the Bible. Even quite apart from the problem of sin God still has an eternal purpose.
God's dealing with sin is remedial. He deals with sin not for its own sake. He deals with sin in order to bring man back to His eternal purpose.
That purpose is the dispensing of His life into man to have an "organic" union with man. Happily we do not have this only as theology and guess work. We have a historical MODEL - Jesus Christ - Son of God, the God-Man.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH1. If people did not sin, unbelief would not matter, for there would be no need for forgiveness of sin. The bible claims "the wages of sin is death" - sin, not unbelief.
[b]A just God does not sentence people of varying degrees of evil to the same punishment.
1. The "varying degrees of evil," (ostensibly, sin) has been blotted out. No one goes to hell for the sins of which you speak. No one ever goes to hell for sin. No one will ever go to hell on account of personal sin. The only folks who go to hell go there for ...[text shortened]... o us in varying degrees--- are chicken feed to denying God His proper (and appropriate) glory.[/b]
2. I shudder at such a self-centered concept of 'justice'. Is God's ego so fragile that he can't even allow one false insult from a comparitively puny mortal?
The gospel of John says that we must be born again. Some people think that we need to be born again because we are sinful.
Now I tell you that even if we were not sinful we would still need to be born again.
Have you ever heard this before? Even if we were not sinful we would still need to be regenerated - born again for the fulfillment of God's eternal purpose.
Originally posted by jaywillSentencing and condemnation have everything to do with this topic. It changes the perspective of your drinker. The drink's now being forced on him.
When the only tool one has is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
I am not even discussing "sentencing" and "condemnation" here. Wrong debate. Try the room next door.
As for the gospel being a myth? The [b]deceived have been claiming that for two thousand of years. It is you who are being ripped off. And it is you who are being hoodwinked and deceived.
I want no part of your deception.[/b]
You're right: you need no further 'deception', because you already believe a deception more elaborate than any that I could fashion.
Originally posted by jaywillFill in the blank:
The gospel of John says that we must be born again. Some people think that we need to be born again because we are sinful.
Now I tell you that even if we were not sinful we would still need to be born again.
Have you ever heard this before? Even if we were not sinful we would still need to be regenerated - born again for the fulfillment of God's eternal purpose.
"The wages of ____ is death."
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYour SuperDuper God sounds as needy and touchy as a teenage school girl; maybe "he's" just on the rag. Doesn't the big shot Creator and Knower of Everything have better things to do than worry about what some creatures, who are more inferior to Him in attributes than an amoeba is to us, think about His SuperDuperness? I don't get mad at houseflies for not making a pot of coffee for me in the morning; so what's his problem?
[b]A just God does not sentence people of varying degrees of evil to the same punishment.
1. The "varying degrees of evil," (ostensibly, sin) has been blotted out. No one goes to hell for the sins of which you speak. No one ever goes to hell for sin. No one will ever go to hell on account of personal sin. The only folks who go to hell go there for ...[text shortened]... o us in varying degrees--- are chicken feed to denying God His proper (and appropriate) glory.[/b]
Originally posted by BigDoggProblem1. Gibberish. Personal sin is clearly not the issue. We are not condemned at birth because of personal sin; no sin is possible at birth. We are condemned at birth because of imputation of Adam's original sin. We are born spiritually dead. The forgiveness of all sin and the solution to the original sin was wrought on the cross, by the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. The only thing separating man from God is lack of belief.
1. If people did not sin, unbelief would not matter, for there would be no need for forgiveness of sin. The bible claims "the wages of sin is death" - sin, not unbelief.
2. I shudder at such a self-centered concept of 'justice'. Is God's ego so fragile that he can't even allow one false insult from a comparitively puny mortal?
2. God and God alone is the only one in the entire universe for whom self-centeredness is the only conclusion. He is, indeed the most marvelous person to behold--- the only one for whom praise is not simply warranted, but truly demanded by virtue of truth. He more than survives the lack of failure on the part of the creature, rest assured. The creature, however, does not fare so well.