Originally posted by StarrmanGod is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows that he will reap.
I'll take that as a yes.
So if a man then murders once again, having found Christ, what then?
If you ever read the 20th chapter of Revelation you will see that the eternal age does not commence immediately after the second coming of Christ.
God still has one thousand years to reward or punish believers in the process of His conforming them to the image of Christ.
Are you concerned about a Christian you know personally who has murdered again since he murdered the first time before believeing into Jesus ?
God forbid, that there were an earthquake and the building collapse around you and you were to die. Aside from your murderer friend, are you certain what condition you would be in before God ?
You should see to that matter first.
Originally posted by jaywillPlease stick to the questions and trouble yourself not on my personal well being. Assume all such questions relate to theoretical circumstances.
God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows that he will reap.
If you ever read the 20th chapter of Revelation you will see that the eternal age does not commence immediately after the second coming of Christ.
God still has one thousand years to reward or punish [b]believers in the process of His conforming them to the image of Christ.
Are ...[text shortened]... in what condition you would be in before God ?
You should see to that matter first.[/b]
Originally posted by StarrmanIf you want to ask me, I will direct you to the vital issues. Because that is probably what you are getting around to anyway, in your style.
Please stick to the questions and trouble yourself not on my personal well being. Assume all such questions relate to theoretical circumstances.
This is the way Jesus answered such questions.
When they asked Him, in essence "What is the percentage of the people to be saved?" He did not respond with a percentage. He told them to enter the narrow gate.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThat may well be your understanding of what a Saint is, but I was actually using the vernacular definition of the term (hence no capital S). As I'm pretty sure you knew, but you chose to interpret the word more literally to enable an argument you felt more comfortable with.
What makes a saint as such is the acceptance by a person of the work done by the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatAs I said previously, it is not my job to judge who is "saved" and who is not. What I can say is that those who are "saved" I believe are saved ONLY through the sacrifice of one Jesus Christ. In addition, ALL of us will have "surprises" in store for us as to who makes the cut and who does not.
And all you Christians are entirely happy with that? Happy with a god that rewards an persistent evil-doer who says sorry with eternal life, but consigns a sceptical saint to either eternal damnation or to be just snuffed out? For goodness' sake! What's the matter with you? Use your god-given critical faculties, why don't you.
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As I said previously, it is not my job to judge who is "saved" and who is not. What I can say is that those who are "saved" I believe are saved ONLY through the sacrifice of one Jesus Christ. In addition, ALL of us will have "surprises" in store for us as to who makes the cut and who does not.
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I would echo this post.
As a younger Christian I use to labor to try to arrive at a perfect "air tight" plan of Christian salvation. I tried to be able to predict just how God would deal with any possible hypothetical case to prove to myself a totally perfect systemitized plan of salvation.
What about this situation?
What about that situation?
What about this other situation?
What will God do in this situation?
I myself can come up with strange and unique hypotheticals. I no longer do this.
I am willing to say that for me there are some unknowns.
Furthermore in this passage "I am the way the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) perhaps I do not take as many other evangelicals take.
"Me" is a living Person. "Me" is not a system but a lining Person.
"No one comes to the Father except through ME" (a living Person) may not be exactly the same as saying "No one comes to the Father except through Christianity".
That is my opinion. I would say with Abraham in Genesis 18:25 -
[b]"Far be it from You! Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justly?"
Originally posted by galveston75Not true. I see God the Trinity as a shapeshifter, or the Two Faced Politician in the Nightmare Before Christas. In his Christ form he will judge, so he should be fairly nice. If he judged in the Father form you'd be screwed.
Good points. And actually your 4th one is a side point showing the Trinity is not true as God is allowing Christ to do the judging work. If they were they same then this scripture would not make sense.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI guess I'm just partial to God's definition of stuff. Call me crazy.
That may well be your understanding of what a Saint is, but I was actually using the vernacular definition of the term (hence no capital S). As I'm pretty sure you knew, but you chose to interpret the word more literally to enable an argument you felt more comfortable with.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYes. Yes, He does. My only definition of saint--- as it applies to spirituality--- is found within the Scriptures. There, God calls saints ANYONE who accepts the gift of salvation.
You are crazy, but the smart sort, so it's not so bad. And how do you know it's god's definition anyway? He talk to you?
It is wholly more mind-blowing than you or I can even imagine.
Originally posted by jaywillHow is it possible to have a discussion with you if you never actually deal directly with the questions posed to you?
If you want to ask me, I will direct you to the vital issues. Because [b]that is probably what you are getting around to anyway, in your style.
This is the way Jesus answered such questions.
When they asked Him, in essence "What is the percentage of the people to be saved?" He did not respond with a percentage. He told them to enter the narrow gate.[/b]