The Serpent

@mchill said
Someone will throw him into a pit then later he gets cast into a lake of 🔥FOREVER.

Yes, I know. But that doesn't change the fact that God created this creature.

KJ believes that the earth and universe is 6000 yrs old. The only creation that happened was at that time.

@mchill said
Someone will throw him into a pit then later he gets cast into a lake of 🔥FOREVER.

Yes, I know. But that doesn't change the fact that God created this creature.

Yes, and so what, what exactly do you think you and I disagree with over him being nothing but a created creature?

@kellyjay said
Yes, and so what, what exactly do you think you and I disagree with over him being nothing but a created creature?

So what is it you want to discuss exactly if you do not agree with the content you chose for your own OP?

@kellyjay said
Yes, and so what, what exactly do you think you and I disagree with over him being nothing but a created creature?

Yes, and so what, what exactly do you think you and I disagree with over him being nothing but a created creature?


Not much, it seems. Isn't it wonderful when things work out so well? 😀

@fmf said
So what is it you want to discuss exactly if you do not agree with the content you chose for your own OP?

If you actually read my posts, you'd see that dive corrected my thoughts about the serpent not being an animal, but even that does not imply he was still not a created being only wasn't an animal, which again I agree with dive that is not the case, he was a snake with offspring.

@kellyjay said
If you actually read my posts, you'd see that dive corrected my thoughts about the serpent not being an animal, but even that does not imply he was still not a created being only wasn't an animal, which again I agree with dive that is not the case, he was a snake with offspring.

So what is it you want to discuss?

@kellyjay said
I didn't write this but saw it in a conversation elsewhere, it is new to me I had never put this together.

"It was Satan.

1. Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.

If you read that sentence closely the serpent was not an animal God made.

2. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."

Wait a minute ! Your god made Satan with full knowledge of what Satan would do then and now . Your god agreed to the nonsense belief that this would be the "fall of man " and deliberately caused the fall of man . So the "fall of man " is entirely the responsibility of your god not some mythological demon which your god is supposed to have created . You are clearly blaming the wrong deity .

@caissad4 said
Wait a minute ! Your god made Satan with full knowledge of what Satan would do then and now . Your god agreed to the nonsense belief that this would be the "fall of man " and deliberately caused the fall of man . So the "fall of man " is entirely the responsibility of your god not some mythological demon which your god is supposed to have created . You are clearly blaming the wrong deity .

God gives man free will and he gave the divil free will.

@caissad4 said
Wait a minute ! Your god made Satan with full knowledge of what Satan would do then and now . Your god agreed to the nonsense belief that this would be the "fall of man " and deliberately caused the fall of man . So the "fall of man " is entirely the responsibility of your god not some mythological demon which your god is supposed to have created . You are clearly blaming the wrong deity .

The creation is filled with beings with the ability to make choices, righteously, and the only true way is if the choice of no is a real possibility. So God creates a very good universe, but it quickly goes wrong, because choices are made and the consequences are played out in a real world where real choices matter. Even in heaven, there were true choices, and war took place there, and Satan was cast down here. You are responsible for your choices regardless of what others do, and you will be held accountable for yours.

God made it possible for us to choose loving acts over evil ones, again, it isn't a real choice if no is not possible. He is the prime reality, only connected to Him will we have life eternal, now we have life, but it is much like a branch cut off from the tree, it is short-lived.

The amazing thing in this was what God did after the fall of man, with the angels that fell they have nothing but hell to look forward to. With man He could have done the same thing but didn't; however, it would not be just to forgive us while condemning Satan, and Satan accuses us all the time as a reminder of that. The sins needed to be dealt with in full, and God did that on the cross, Jesus taking all of our sins, iniquities, and shame upon Himself, becoming sin in our stead so we could be redeemed.

So God entered into the fallen world, becoming the thing that separates us from God and the Son of God took on the full punishment for every single act of sin for every sinner that ever lived, so He could be the propitiation for our sins. Those who return to God will be saved, and those who don't won't be, even though they could have, they choose not to, so choices matter even still.

@kellyjay said
The creation is filled with beings with the ability to make choices, righteously, and the only true way is if the choice of no is a real possibility. So God creates a very good universe, but it quickly goes wrong, because choices are made and the consequences are played out in a real world where real choices matter. Even in heaven, there were true choices, and war took pla ...[text shortened]... e who don't won't be, even though they could have, they choose not to, so choices matter even still.

And your god knew all those things would happen before your god created anything but did that totally knowing it was/is an inordinately evil thing . Free will falls apart when you create an all knowing deity ruling the Universe .

@caissad4 said
And your god knew all those things would happen before your god created anything but did that totally knowing it was/is an inordinately evil thing . Free will falls apart when you create an all knowing deity ruling the Universe .

The Christian god is said by Christians to be omniscient, apart from the fact that he doesn't know what's going to happen.

@caissad4 said
And your god knew all those things would happen before your god created anything but did that totally knowing it was/is an inordinately evil thing . Free will falls apart when you create an all knowing deity ruling the Universe .

Yes, He made a universe that would produce a people that were made in His image, and since every evil act done is a crime against Him and His creation He, Himself paid in full for every single crime. Our problem is that we need to owe up for our crimes and go to Him for that forgiveness offered in Christ, and many prefer the darkness and sin over that, that they would just as soon go to hell, they will get their wish.

@kellyjay said
Yes, He made a universe that would produce a people that were made in His image, and since every evil act done is a crime against Him and His creation He, Himself paid in full for every single crime. Our problem is that we need to owe up for our crimes and go to Him for that forgiveness offered in Christ, and many prefer the darkness and sin over that, that they would just as soon go to hell, they will get their wish.

How many of your neighbours have you told about what will actually happen to them if they “get their wish” to go to hell?

@kellyjay said
Yes, He made a universe that would produce a people that were made in His image, and since every evil act done is a crime against Him and His creation He, Himself paid in full for every single crime. Our problem is that we need to owe up for our crimes and go to Him for that forgiveness offered in Christ, and many prefer the darkness and sin over that, that they would just as soon go to hell, they will get their wish.

Do you believe in unicorns ?

@caissad4 said
Do you believe in unicorns ?

Do you believe everything came from nothing?