The stress of uncertainty

@fmf said
Yes. As I said, his religious beliefs have taken a tragic toll on the substance of his common humanity if they have deprived of him of the ability to empathize with and understand people with different beliefs from him to the extent that he doesn't know how having children would matter or would have meaning for those people. Empathy is surely an important element of our common humanity.

Do you think that you empathize well with Christians?

@philokalia said
Do you think that you empathize well with Christians?

Yes.

@sonship said
@divegeester

The man is without courage.

More Guilt by Accusation?

"Waste your time talking to me or you have no courage."

What “guilt” and by what “association”?

Why are you again quoting me as having said something which I haven’t said?

Why are you so dishonest in this respect?

@philokalia said
This is whining: being creeped out by being questioned in a forum where you post 30 x a day, in every thread, lol.

This is a lie by you.

@philokalia said
I've found Kelly Jay to be very empathetic, great poster. He puts up diligent and honest responses, and he tends to not read in too far or take posts too lightly.

Very intelligent and well done posts. Never needling or based on a bad take.

I find your words here to be rather ironic.

KellyJay ignores certain posters because he is fundamentally incapable of intellectually defending his claims and arguments against those posters.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

@divegeester

What “guilt” and by what “association”?

I didn't say or mean "association" there.
I said Guilt by Accusation. I mean - some gossip, some bad report, some negative accusations circulate perhaps on Youtube or some website, and it is assumed guilt of all the things said must be true.

Guilt by Accusation

I think you and some others on the Forum fall easily to assuming guilt because of someone's eloquent seemingly logical accusation.

Why are you again quoting me as having said something which I haven’t said?

I wasn't quoting you. I was quoting what your attitude reminds me of someone saying.

Why are you so dishonest in this respect?

It is not dishonest. It is an honest appraisal of what your words sometime sound like someone saying.

Not wasting time arguing with you is some supposed sigh of your goodness and others' weakness. That is what this verbatim quote from you sounds like.

The man is without courage.

Why does the man have no courage? Because he allocates his time more judiciously. Every poster does not need to be accommodated. And to accommodate some is counter productive.

That's what I would say is behind unreplied to posts of some posters, KellyJay and you, for example.

@sonship said
Why does the man have no courage? Because he allocates his time more judiciously. Every poster does not need to be accommodated. And to accommodate some is counter productive.

How do you account for that fact that most of the Christians in this community ~ for all intents and purposes ~ just seem to ignore you, ignore a huge proportion of what you say, and, for the most part, decline to debate and discuss things with you?

@fmf said
Yes.

LOL, OK.

Referring to hell as the "torturer God ideology" relentlessly and refusing to use terminology that most Christians use in reference ot it does not strike me as empathetic.

OR do you admit that this was just a rhetorical tool, and that normally you are quite empathetic with Christian positions?

@divegeester said
KellyJay ignores certain posters because he is fundamentally incapable of intellectually defending his claims and arguments against those posters.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

He does this because there is a certain subsection here that does not debate on fair terms, in my opinion. They do not acknowledge the points of their opposition and instead treat everything like a one sided interrogation.

@philokalia said
Referring to hell as the "torturer God ideology" relentlessly and refusing to use terminology that most Christians use in reference ot it does not strike me as empathetic.

I have empathy for Christians, without a doubt and for obvious reasons. Confronting them about the torturer God ideology - in those terms - if that is the morally incoherent stuff they believe - has no bearing on it.

@philokalia said
do you admit that this was just a rhetorical tool, and that normally you are quite empathetic with Christian positions?

The term torturer god ideology is very apt. It gets to the very heart of what the ideology is, as I have explained before, repeatedly.

@fmf said
I have empathy for Christians, without a doubt and for obvious reasons. Confronting them about the torturer God ideology - in those terms - if that is the morally incoherent stuff they believe - has no bearing on it.

Oh wow, so what is the grounds for believing that KJ does not empathize with atheists?

I see him confront atheist arguments in a very agreeable fashion.

Surely, he ticks every box that you think you yourself have ticked.

What gives?

@philokalia said
Oh wow, so what is the grounds for believing that KJ does not empathize with atheists?

For the reasons that I laid out in several posts not far back on this thread.

@philokalia said
I see him confront atheist arguments in a very agreeable fashion.

Then don't debate him or discuss things with him ~ if you don't want to or don't need to.

@philokalia said
Surely, he ticks every box that you think you yourself have ticked.

I'll leave the box-ticking to you.