there is no difference between god and the tooth fairy

@kellyjay said
I'm telling you scripture is the source of the answers and if I get it wrong there,
there I can be corrected. You are the one that puts your "feelings, ideas, opinions"
at the pinnacle of truth over scripture. The same thing is true for churches, they
like individuals can get it right or wrong, the same thing is true for pastors and
priests, opinions over scripture an er ...[text shortened]... rly, or having a broken compass. Even Satan used scripture,
and Jesus corrected him with scripture.

Here again is what you asserted and here again is what my question to you about that assertion:

@divegeester said:
Well I don’t know anything about your church group, but I would say that you are better off out of the corporate denominational system.

@KellyJay replied:
Neither means anything towards God, you are either walking with Him or not.

Ok KellyJay here’s a scenario for you:
If person A if in a church which which has a doctrine of spiritually discriminating against homosexually, and person B is in a church which has a policy of tolerating homosexuals; would that “mean anything towards God”?

You’re probably going to avoid answering as usual, but my point here is that your “all that matters is walking with him” faux libertarian riff is just a front I sense. Which is why I keep asking you these dichotomous questions to try an draw out your actual truth. And of course why you keep avoiding them.

@kellyjay said
Everything was created by God, but not every impulse is something we should follow
simply because we have them. Constraints are an important part of life, we cannot
function properly without them, if we were totally free of all constraints would be
completely unable to move or function. Floating in space there would be nothing
about us that would allow us to move, comple ...[text shortened]... cidents due to others not following them, but if everyone
did there would be a lot fewer accidents.

So now you equate homosexuality with theft and murder.

According to you your god 'gives' people their sexuality, including homosexuality, but it's sin to express that sexuality. Another absolute contradiction in your beliefs, and another good reason not to become a Christian.

@divegeester said
Here again is what you asserted and here again is what my question to you about that assertion:

@divegeester said:
Well I don’t know anything about your church group, but I would say that you are better off out of the corporate denominational system.

@KellyJay replied:
Neither means anything towards God, you are either walking with Him or not.

Ok ...[text shortened]... ichotomous questions to try an draw out your actual truth. And of course why you keep avoiding them.

What the scriptures call sin is a sin it isn’t a matter of discrimination it doesn’t matter how acceptable cultures make it. Be it adultery, fornication, or homosexuality it is not acceptable to God.

@kellyjay said
What the scriptures call sin is a sin it isn’t a matter of discrimination it doesn’t matter how acceptable cultures make it. Be it adultery, fornication, or homosexuality it is not acceptable to God.

Do you believe the secular government in the country you live should discriminate against homosexuals?

@kellyjay said
What the scriptures call sin is a sin it isn’t a matter of discrimination it doesn’t matter how acceptable cultures make it. Be it adultery, fornication, or homosexuality it is not acceptable to God.

So you were wrong in your assertion that what church a person belongs to is meaningless to God. You’re just once again too proud to admit it.

It’s just another of KellyJay’s “I’m right, your wrong, the bible says so, I’m walking with Jesus, suck it up” positions.

@divegeester said
Here again is what you asserted and here again is what my question to you about that assertion:

@divegeester said:
Well I don’t know anything about your church group, but I would say that you are better off out of the corporate denominational system.

@KellyJay replied:
Neither means anything towards God, you are either walking with Him or not.

Ok ...[text shortened]... ichotomous questions to try an draw out your actual truth. And of course why you keep avoiding them.

Thanks for the alert Kevin eleven.

@divegeester said
So you were wrong in your assertion that what church a person belongs to is meaningless to God. You’re just once again too proud to admit it.

It’s just another of KellyJay’s “I’m right, your wrong, the bible says so, I’m walking with Jesus, suck it up” positions.

I've been telling you every one of us can get it wrong, and how we know is through
the scripture, and you want opinions, as if they matter, they don't. I don't care what
church you go to, it can be spot-on doctrinally, but you could still not be walking
with the Lord.

@kevin-eleven said
If we are made in the image of God, then where do you believe desires, attractions, and appreciations come from?

By referring to "scripture" in the way that you do, why do you seem to omit fortune-cookie sayings?

I hope you are not one of those "White" American Christians who are trying to pit the Gays against the Jews.

Do you think the color of my skin matters in this? God created the heavens and
the Earth and everything in them, everything here is due to Him, everything we
have is because of the Lord God of Heaven and earth, He is the King of the
universe. It all comes from Him, the very air that we breathe on. He formed us in
our mother's wombs, He set the heavens and everything else in place, and He
holds it all together by the power of His Word. So His Word, not my skin color, His
Word, not my politics, His Word, not my church affiliation matters, and if we look
to anything else, like culture, popularity, or personality for life's foundational
truths we set our sights on something temporary and unstable that shifts with the
wind, or like sand on a beach in the water.

@indonesia-phil said
So now you equate homosexuality with theft and murder.

According to you your god 'gives' people their sexuality, including homosexuality, but it's sin to express that sexuality. Another absolute contradiction in your beliefs, and another good reason not to become a Christian.

Our impulses can cause us to do quite a few things, my point in that was that just
because we have them, doesn't mean they are to be followed, they can lead us into
doing all manner of evil. Sin is sin defined by scripture, and our own conscious, and
where they are at odds, the Word of God is the most important source of truth.

@kellyjay said
Our impulses can cause us to do quite a few things, my point in that was that just
because we have them, doesn't mean they are to be followed, they can lead us into
doing all manner of evil. Sin is sin defined by scripture, and our own conscious, and
where they are at odds, the Word of God is the most important source of truth.

A person's sexuality is a part of their essence, to condemn them for or deny them that essence is an act of evil. Your beliefs would have us living in the dark ages, but fortunately we live in more enlightened, secular times.

So, let me ask you the question which you are avoiding with so many others; in your perfect world, would we be punishing gays for their 'sinful' acts?

@indonesia-phil said
A person's sexuality is a part of their essence, to condemn them for or deny them that essence is an act of evil. Your beliefs would have us living in the dark ages, but fortunately we live in more enlightened, secular times.

So, let me ask you the question which you are avoiding with so many others; in your perfect world, would we be punishing gays for their 'sinful' acts?

We punish people for breaking our laws. In a perfect world no one would be breaking any laws, or doing anything wrong to another in any degree.

You think today is an enlighten age do you?

@kellyjay said
I've been telling you every one of us can get it wrong, and how we know is through
the scripture, and you want opinions, as if they matter, they don't. I don't care what
church you go to, it can be spot-on doctrinally, but you could still not be walking
with the Lord.

So you admit your assertion that what church and doctrines a person belongs to is meaningless to God… was wrong?

@kellyjay said
We punish people for breaking our laws. In a perfect world no one would be breaking any laws, or doing anything wrong to another in any degree.

You think today is an enlighten age do you?

Okay, I'll try again (last time I implied the 'f' word, in a descriptive sense) Anyway stop dodging the question, do you think that homosexuality should be against secular law? Do you regard homosexuality as 'doing anything wrong to another'?

And yes, compared to how you view the world, through and only through the prism of your 'scriptures', we live in a world so enlightened that it would dazzle you if you took your eyes out of the Bible and took a look around. It ain't perfect, very far from it, but everything is relative.

@divegeester said
So you admit your assertion that what church and doctrines a person belongs to is meaningless to God… was wrong?

Nope, with respect to our relationship with God, the only important thing is our
relationship with Jesus Christ, that will not violate any scriptural truth, as Christ
is the Word.