17 Dec 16
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemDo you know the failure rates? Remember that people ate involved and sometimes people under the influence.
Yep. There would be virtually no abortions nor abortion issue debate if preventative measures were used. Everyone wins.
In the real world what is the failure rate?
Do you deny that people use abortion as birth control?
17 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarI know the failure rates.
Do you know the failure rates? Remember that people ate involved and sometimes people under the influence.
In the real world what is the failure rate?
Do you deny that people use abortion as birth control?
I will leave it to you to introduce actual numbers as the rate argument is yours.
I don't deny people use abortion as birth control.
17 Dec 16
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemCondom failure rate is about 15 percent. That is pretty significant and results in many pregnancies and spread of disease.
I know the failure rates.
I will leave it to you to introduce actual numbers as the rate argument is yours.
I don't deny people use abortion as birth control.
Even if everyone used protection there would still be a significant number of babies butchered.
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by Eladar15% [or around there] is the figure for "typical" use which factors in the occasional "forgot to wear one". When condoms are used properly, that falls to a mere 5% or so.
Condom failure rate is about 15 percent. That is pretty significant and results in many pregnancies and spread of disease.
Even if everyone used protection there would still be a significant number of babies butchered.
I think that's easily an acceptable level of risk, given that sex is pretty enjoyable.
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Per the Guttmacher Institute, in the US, only 5% of unintended pregnancies are from women who used contraceptives "consistently and correctly". This means there is a potential huge reduction in the number of abortions by everyone adopting contraception use. One would think pro-lifers would be among the strongest proponents.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by apathistSome kids will be amd some won't. That is just the way it is.
I want children born into a healthy environment.
I want to know that the drivers on the road are competent drivers. Why should parenting be held to a lesser standard?
When the government steps in to make it better it makes matters worse.
Before welfare was implemented 7 out of 10 black children were born into a family with a father and a mother. Now less than half have rhe stability of a two parent home.
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemOne butchered baby is too many.
15% [or around there] is the figure for "typical" use which factors in the occasional "forgot to wear one". When condoms are used properly, that falls to a mere 5% or so.
I think that's easily an acceptable level of risk, given that sex is pretty enjoyable.
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Per the Guttmacher Institute, in the US, only 5% of unintended pregnancies ar ...[text shortened]... e strongest proponents.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states
You can have sex after you get married. You are just too self centered to care about others being murdered so that you can have a good time.
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by apathistEmbryos are not babies just as babies are not toddlers and children are not adults but the are all alive individual humans.
Embryos are not babies. First trimester abortion is not murder. Sex is for lovers, reality doesn't require marriage first. The solution is to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Unborn babies can feel pain at 8 weeks. Unborn babies have a heart beat at 6 weeks.
Butchering someone who can feel pain is generally considered immoral. Killing someone with a heart beat is generally considered murder.
Originally posted by EladarI could just as easily say that you're so bad at risk management that you don't know how to have a good time. Puritanism is for people who want to go through life in bubble wrap, so afraid of negative consequences that they forget to have any real experiences.
One butchered baby is too many.
You can have sex after you get married. You are just too self centered to care about others being murdered so that you can have a good time.
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarHilarious how you complain about butchering babies but don't want to encourage birth control methods.
One butchered baby is too many.
You can have sex after you get married. You are just too self centered to care about others being murdered so that you can have a good time.
So how are you going to stop people having sex? Do you want to make it illegal?
And what if I want kids but don't want to get married? What then?
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadI have no problem with guys who don't want kids having a vasectomy. Women can have their tubes tied.
Hilarious how you complain about butchering babies but don't want to encourage birth control methods.
So how are you going to stop people having sex? Do you want to make it illegal?
And what if I want kids but don't want to get married? What then?
I just have a problem with butchering innocents.
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemFunny how you have no problem letting another person suffer for your irresponsibility.
I could just as easily say that you're so bad at risk management that you don't know how to have a good time. Puritanism is for people who want to go through life in bubble wrap, so afraid of negative consequences that they forget to have any real experiences.
18 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarSo you do support encouraging the use of contraceptives? Because a large cause of abortions here in Africa is due to American Christians stopping contraceptives.
I have no problem with guys who don't want kids having a vasectomy. Women can have their tubes tied.
I just have a problem with butchering innocents.