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Originally posted by darvlay
Can you post the link one more time, please? I didn't quite get it earlier.

http://www.redhotpawn.com/clan/home.php?cid=24362

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Originally posted by darvlay
I'm pretty sure you could prove that the Sun will burn Rolfey alive if you "dip him into it". You could use Wien's Law to determine the temperature of the sun and then compare that to the flashpoint of human flesh.

You should ask Jesus to help you come up with some better analogies. IF he's not busy solving world hunger or halting the spread of AIDS, that is.

I know I could prove that there's a Hell, because I've heard many people have been there and been brought back from the dead. Something that even more verifies my God in whom I have faith.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I addressed the so-called reputable sources of the dodgy site you referenced.

On the point of debating Dr. Dino. Do respected geologists hold debates against Flat Earth believers? Of course not. Also Dr. (Patriot University is such a presigious school to have your Ph.D from) Dino will only debate in person or via teleconferencing. The problem with this ...[text shortened]... ent human anatomy and B being the atmospheric, geologic and astrological situation of the Earth.

Umm, no, Dino has his PhD from Stanford University, I believe. Not Patriot. I think that was another school he went to also. And, you're pretty much mistaken. Dr. Dino has - person to person - debated several top scientists. And, they never win. The reason they never win is that they show they "just do not know" even though our high school textbooks would have us believe "they do know." Such as Haekels ebryo pictures. They're all bogus. Yet, you'll find them in any high school textbook. And, the ape to man evolutionary model. All bogus! Made up by someone. They even put bones together to make it fit. It doesn't fit. Only God fits! That's why Dr. Dino wins those debates! 🙂 He leaves you with only one thought in the end: if there is more evidence for God than anything else, then how do we more so prove God to show he exists? Ever thought of FAITH??? God doesn't want to show himself and prove he exists. Where would faith come in? Jesus said, "Thomas you believe in me because you have seen me, but blessed is He who believes and has not seen me." 🙂

Originally posted by powershaker
I know I could prove that there's a Hell, because I've heard many people have been there and been brought back from the dead. Something that even more verifies my God in whom I have faith.

Well you'll just believe anything, won't you?

Originally posted by powershaker
Umm, no, Dino has his PhD from Stanford University, I believe. Not Patriot. I think that was another school he went to also. And, you're pretty much mistaken. Dr. Dino has - person to person - debated several top scientists. And, they never win. The reason they never win is that they show they "just do not know" even though our high school textbook me because you have seen me, but blessed is He who believes and has not seen me." 🙂

I apologise for the long copy paste but I think the whole thing is just so hilarious it's worth a read (cutting a picture from a text book and sticking it to his thesis?).

Hovind was awarded a masters's degree and doctorate in "Christian Education" from the unaccredited college (correspondence school) Patriot University (now Patriot Bible University) in 1988 and 1991 respectively.

Critics of Hovind have charged that Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill as it has unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme, among other issues. The college itself has claimed that it simply does not "choose" to be accredited by standard associations. The school's current policies allow students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for less than $40 per month (the university offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees) While Hovind finished in 1991, as of 2004 Patriot Bible University is allowed to issue religious degrees, by the State of Colorado Higher Education Commission.

Patriot Bible University will not send copies of Hovind's doctoral dissertation to anyone for review. This is highly unusual because doctoral dissertations are normally published by the associated university and made available to the public through either hard-copy publication or electronic distribution. This is so that other students conducting research in similar areas may use the information provided by the dissertation as a reference. However, some have seen it and critics have varying opinions of it. One copy is on file at the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) in Berkeley, CA. They will not send it either, due to copyright and distribution restrictions, but people may view it at their facility.

People who read his dissertation say it is "incomplete," not of academic standard, poorly writen, and contains grammatical errors of a high school level student. The lack of quality was described, in part, by the fact that "the pages are not numbered; there is no title; of sixteen or so chapters in the index only the first four are finished; misspellings are rampant ("Immerged" for emerged and "epic" for epoch just as a couple of examples); and the single illustration was apparently cut out of a science book with scissors and fastened to the thesis with glue or tape."

Kent Hovind has been criticized for using the title Ph.D without mentioning it is in Christian Education. Under Florida state law, Hovind can only use his title if he "clearly identifies the religious character of the educational program". However, since his offical website is www.drdino.com, some believe he has not done so. Furthermore, unlike most doctors, Hovind is listed in the phone book as "Dr."

You believe wrong.

Your beloved messiah (your implication not mine) also believes in the Loch Ness Monster, that the US Government has alien artifacts hidden, that the Aztecs were carrying out brain and heart surgery before 1570 (The arrival of the Spanish). However, he doesn't believe in paying Tax.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I apologise for the long copy paste but I think the whole thing is just so hilarious it's worth a read (cutting a picture from a text book and sticking it to his thesis?).

[i]Hovind was awarded a masters's degree and doctorate in "Christian Education" from the unaccredited college (correspondence school) Patriot University (now Patriot Bible University) The arrival of the Spanish). However, he doesn't believe in paying Tax.

[/i]He also believes apricots can cure cancer.

But then who doesn't?

The only review of his doctoral thesis is hilarious.

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I asked for you to present the argument yourself rather than attempting to prop yourself up using quotes from entirely unprofessional angelfire websites and Dr. Dino (The man that even YECs think is crazy).

Also your list of things carbon dating assumes. I asked specifically about calibrated carbon dating. There are 15,000 year old trees, by counting ri ...[text shortened]... s (and you show by being unable to discredit it) that the Earth is older than the Bible says.

Why not prop myself up using reputable sources? Why must I argue in a debate without proof? I am only using sources to prove that what I am saying is not false! I am showing you the facts.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I apologise for the long copy paste but I think the whole thing is just so hilarious it's worth a read (cutting a picture from a text book and sticking it to his thesis?).

[i]Hovind was awarded a masters's degree and doctorate in "Christian Education" from the unaccredited college (correspondence school) Patriot University (now Patriot Bible University) ...[text shortened]... The arrival of the Spanish). However, he doesn't believe in paying Tax.

But, what about all the other PhDs in Case for A Creator. Hovind isn't the only guy I've mentioned. I am simply saying you can't disprove God, and you can't say that the universe it no intelligently designed either.

Originally posted by dottewell
[/i]He also believes apricots can cure cancer.

But then who doesn't?

The only review of his doctoral thesis is hilarious.

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm

He's not the only guy who I've used though. There are many professors from many reputable universities that show the same things as Hovind and they are brilliant minds. Read "Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel.

Originally posted by darvlay
Well you'll just believe anything, won't you?

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in my heart, and I know it's true in my heart. And, I believe God is the divine creator of this universe. You guys are saying that's not true, and yet you have no proof to prove otherwise. Men may fail. Hovind may fail. All of them may fail other men. But, God will never fail, and his fingerprint is found in all of creation. Say it's not true, and you are truly blind.

Originally posted by powershaker
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in my heart, and I know it's true in my heart. And, I believe God is the divine creator of this universe. You guys are saying that's not true, and yet you have no proof to prove otherwise. Men may fail. Hovind may fail. All of them may fail other men. But, God will never fail, and his fingerprint is found in all of creation. Say it's not true, and you are truly blind.

YOU were BLINDED by the LIGHT wrapped like a DOUCHE another RUMOUR in the night.....

Originally posted by powershaker
Why not prop myself up using reputable sources? Why must I argue in a debate without proof? I am only using sources to prove that what I am saying is not false! I am showing you the facts.

So you choose to ignore why your 'source' isn't reputable? Sourcing your information is perfectly acceptable, telling me to read a website because you can't explain something isn't. Surely you must understand all the science you have to ignore before you start ignoring it.

Originally posted by powershaker
But, what about all the other PhDs in Case for A Creator. Hovind isn't the only guy I've mentioned. I am simply saying you can't disprove God, and you can't say that the universe it no intelligently designed either.

You're right, I can't say that there isn't a God. I don't need to. As there can be no evidence either way Occam's Razor states that we should assume there is no God (as it requires less assumptions).

However, you were claiming that the Earth was created over the course of 7 days 10,000 years ago. That's utterly wrong. Hell, we have evidence of farming in the Fertile Cresent going back almost that far.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
So you choose to ignore why your 'source' isn't reputable? Sourcing your information is perfectly acceptable, telling me to read a website because you can't explain something isn't. Surely you must understand all the science you have to ignore before you start ignoring it.

I actually told you to read thee book "Case for a Creator," because I thought you - like me - look into both sides of an arguement before you side with one of them. I have studied both sides, and I know in my heart God is! I know Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and I have faith that He lives. I have faith that he was risen on the third day, and died on the cross for my sins. It's called Faith! If I could prove God with 100% scientific certainty (instead astronomical probability) where would faith come into it? That would be pretty lame for a God to reward people for believing there are bananas when we eat bananas every day. Now, wouldn't it?

That's like gambling on a football game and already knowing the outcome because you bought out all the players and have them on the bet, too. God doesn't work that way. It's your heart or nothing.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
You're right, I can't say that there isn't a God. I don't need to. As there can be no evidence either way Occam's Razor states that we should assume there is no God (as it requires less assumptions).

However, you were claiming that the Earth was created over the course of 7 days 10,000 years ago. That's utterly wrong. Hell, we have evidence of farming in the Fertile Cresent going back almost that far.

No, God made things appear older than they are after the fall of Man. I gave you the scripture. Good grief! If God can create the universe and everything in it, couldn't he make it also older than it truly is? Have faith! God is!