06 Mar 06
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Originally posted by scottishinnzThat's right! What makes your theory more plausible than dj2becker's?
"It was not an assumption. It is a simple analogy. Besides, would you care to prove that anything natural can exist without being created? "
If it was an analogy, it was one with a built in assumption. Therefore, not a good analogy. You and I both know that anything I say that is natural and not created (such as Buckminsterfullerenne balls), you'd han mine?"
Parsimony. I don't require the involvement of the supernatural.
Proveable phenomena? No, don't think so scottish. You see, there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" coming out of "nothing." Find some scientists who do not believe in God, and ask them one question: so, where how did it all come into being before the "quantum vaccuum?" Ask them question number two: is it possible that no intelligent being created everything with such accurate mathematics and distances, etc...???" If he's objective, brilliant and well educated - say Carl Sagan - he'll answer "we just don't know yet" to the first question. The second question he'll answer with: "it is true there's a strong arguement for intelligent design." In so many words he'll say that. If he's one of those imbecilic professors, he'll rationalize and break out in circular thinking principles and never end up saying much of anything. It will all just sound really good, but none of it proves anything. However, the Christian has proof Jesus Christ walked the Earth. The Christian has proof David's kingdom out of the BIble was uncovered by archaeologists. The Christians have proof and evidence of the very prophecies in the Bible coming to fruition. God never fails His followers. The Christian has proof that Pontius Pilate did exist from archaeological diggings and Pontius Pilate is the one who gave Jesus to the people to be crucified. The Christian has proof that Herod existed and definitely was a King. He also has proof for UR the city existing in Biblical history. They use to say this city never existed - that is until we discovered a stone with UR enscribed on it. DUhhh!!! He also has archaeological proof and evidence for many, many other findings that fully support and verify biblical history. What do you have scottish? Just doubt it looks like. Turn from your ways, and know that Jesus loves you. Jesus Christ, the Son of God died for your sins, and all you have to do is get on your knees and pray to Jesus and confess your sins to Him, and ask Him to come into your life as your Lord and Savior. Don't be firewood for the flames of Hell. Get on your knees and fight like a man!
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by powershaker
Killing one's self is only suicide, and is a sin. We do not have the right to destroy ourselves, when we were not the God who created ourselves. Also, why kill myself when in the Word of God it says that in our mortal journey, we should look to the after life, treating our brother as we would have him treat us. We should spend our mortal lives sharing ...[text shortened]... s badly shall in turn suffer the wrath of God unless they repent and turn from their evil ways.
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemKilling one's self is only suicide, and is a sin. We do not have the right to destroy ourselves, when we were not the God who created ourselves. Also, why kill myself when in the Word of God it says that in our mortal journey, we should look to the after life, treating our brother as we would have him treat us. We should spend our mortal lives sharing ...[text shortened]... s badly shall in turn suffer the wrath of God unless they repent and turn from their evil ways.
So go kill yourself. What are you waiting for? Die today, hang out with Jesus tonight. I'm sure he loves people who think about themselves while others are dying and suffering.
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by powershakerWhat an idiot ....
That's right! What makes your theory more plausible than dj2becker's?
Proveable phenomena? No, don't think so scottish. You see, there is more proof for intelligent design than there is for "something" coming out of "nothing." Find some scientists who do not believe in God, and ask them one question: so, where how did it all come into being before ...[text shortened]... irewood for the flames of Hell. Get on your knees and fight like a man!
Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm sick and tired of this ridiculous ID crap that the 'bible bashers' on this site keep referring to.
And to tar the name of a great scientist and science educator, Sagan, in the same breath is outrageous. He'd be turning in his grave, but for the fact that he's dead, and now dust, and thus can't do any turning at all (sorry life-after-deathers). I guess he could be thankful for small mercies.
ID has got to be the biggest cop-out ever perpretated by the creationist rabble.
I can't imagine how this organism could have developed naturally via random mutations, therefore it can't have.
Absolute crap, completely useless as a scientific model or theory, and just don't get me started on the accuracy of the bible ...
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWell when I said don't get me started I really didn't want to get started.
Why don't you tell us a little about it?
Unfortunately, this takes us into a lose-lose area.
I can argue until I'm blue in the face about the bible as a work of a series of Jewish authors and thus representing the morals, culture and knowledge of the time. Religious types - whether literalists or not - will tell me it's the 'word of god' (cue the dramatic music at this point).
There's no way for us to get around this point.
So, I really don't want to go there ...
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by amannionNo, it's not. "Something" cannot come from "nothing" ammannion. If you say it can, you're the one who needs a reality check. So, you tell me amannion, if there is no time, no space, no material... I mean absolutely nothing... how does it all begin? Don't say the "quantum vaccuum" because someone had to create that also.
What an idiot ....
Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm sick and tired of this ridiculous ID crap that the 'bible bashers' on this site keep referring to.
And to tar the name of a great scientist and science educator, Sagan, in the same breath is outrageous. He'd be turning in his grave, but for the fact that he's dead, and now dust, and thus can't do any turn ...[text shortened]... entific model or theory, and just don't get me started on the accuracy of the bible ...
06 Mar 06
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYeah, tell us about it. Prove to us that the New Testament is not 95%+ accurate? I would like to see you disprove the greatest minds in the world. LOL!!! Look it up. The New Testament is more accurate than Homer's Iliad's translation, and the most accurate of the ancient texts in our libraries today. God's word will always remain no matter what men have tried to do to tarnish its true words. And, ammannion is calling me the idiot! I've research it myself. The New Testament is the most accurate of the ancient texts in translation, more accurate than the Iliad we read today.
Why don't you tell us a little about it?
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by powershakerso because i won't bow down to your imaginary friend(s) i'm the one with problems. why don't you bow down to the FSM. it is just as relevant.
You will not even try praying to Jesus the words I told you and giving Him a chance to come into your life? See what I mean? You are blind. Surely we need to pray for you. Your soul wages war against righteousness, and you turn from the one and only Son of God - the God who gave his Son, Jesus Christ, to be your escape goat, so you wouldn't have to suffer the flaming punishments for your sinfulness.
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by powershakeron and on and on you go again, covering ground that you've already badly covered.
Next, you'll be asking him for proof of God's existence even when he could show you the astronomical certainties of intelligent design. If you want numbers, look at the odds that a big explosion happened and put the Sun and Moon perfectly situated from the Earth so that we could perfectly view a solar eclipse in its entirety. Then, look at the odds tha ...[text shortened]... ahemmm... designed. Duhhhh! Duhhh!!! Duh! Rolfey! Wake up! God LIVES! God is LOVE!
none of what you have stated is proof of a) god b) ID
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by amannionID has got to be the biggest cop-out ever perpretated (sic) by the creationist rabble.
What an idiot ....
Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm sick and tired of this ridiculous ID crap that the 'bible bashers' on this site keep referring to.
And to tar the name of a great scientist and science educator, Sagan, in the same breath is outrageous. He'd be turning in his grave, but for the fact that he's dead, and now dust, and thus can't do any turn ...[text shortened]... entific model or theory, and just don't get me started on the accuracy of the bible ...
I can't imagine how this organism could have developed naturally via random mutations, therefore it can't have.
Absolute crap, completely useless as a scientific model or theory, and just don't get me started on the accuracy of the bible ...
So pray tell what is forensics doing as a scientific pursuit? I can just hear you chanting: "He can't imagine how the fingerprints got on the gun naturally, therefore it can't have."
This sanctimonious, intellectual skullduggery, where everything that doesn't agree with your myopic view has to be false, is rather refreshing and shows your true colours quite beautifully. Yes, please don't keep an open mind, it might reveal a whole new world of possibilities, but that would be too awful to consider.
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by HalitoseIf you're going to refute me with a counter argument from science, please make it obvious what you're talking about, because I have no idea what you're on about with the forensics stuff you mention.
[b]ID has got to be the biggest cop-out ever perpretated (sic) by the creationist rabble.
I can't imagine how this organism could have developed naturally via random mutations, therefore it can't have.
Absolute crap, completely useless as a scientific model or theory, and just don't get me started on the accuracy of the bible ...
So pray tell what ...[text shortened]... ght reveal a whole new world of possibilities, but that would be too awful to consider.[/b]
As for open mindedness, while my posts may not suggest that for someone living in the ID dream world, I am pretty open minded. I would ask whether you were? Given the instant rejection of evolution that seems posited by a belief in ID, I'd suggest not very much.
06 Mar 06
Originally posted by powershakerProve to you that it's not accurate?
Yeah, tell us about it. Prove to us that the New Testament is not 95%+ accurate? I would like to see you disprove the greatest minds in the world. LOL!!! Look it up. The New Testament is more accurate than Homer's Iliad's translation, and the most accurate of the ancient texts in our libraries today. God's word will always remain no matter what men ...[text shortened]... st accurate of the ancient texts in translation, more accurate than the Iliad we read today.
Did you read my post?
Presumably not, since my point was that from my perspective it would be idiotic to try to prove it. I may as well prove that Macbeth is true, or that To Kill a Mockingbird is true.
How sould I prove a fiction to be true and accurate?
That's what you're asking me to do which would be pretty stupid, don't you think?
Now from your perspective, I'm idiotic to suggest that this book is fiction. But hey, that's me.