19 Apr 07
should governments be allowed to enforce capital punishment?
spiritually speaking, of course.
and, please provide grounds and warrants.
i am torn.
as a theist, which is a popular word on here, and as a xian theist to boot, i try to develop my social contracts and desires from the bible.
paul writes that the government is to carry the sword to defend justice.
jesus says turn the other cheak.
moses says an eye for an eye.
jesus says do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
prophets say that vengeance is god's. he will repay.
any thoughts?
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacDead men can't repent.
should governments be allowed to enforce capital punishment?
spiritually speaking, of course.
and, please provide grounds and warrants.
i am torn.
as a theist, which is a popular word on here, and as a xian theist to boot, i try to develop my social contracts and desires from the bible.
paul writes that the government is to carry the sword to defen ...[text shortened]... ave them do unto you.
prophets say that vengeance is god's. he will repay.
any thoughts?
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacAre you telling me that there are contradictions in the Bible?
should governments be allowed to enforce capital punishment?
spiritually speaking, of course.
and, please provide grounds and warrants.
i am torn.
as a theist, which is a popular word on here, and as a xian theist to boot, i try to develop my social contracts and desires from the bible.
paul writes that the government is to carry the sword to defen ...[text shortened]... ave them do unto you.
prophets say that vengeance is god's. he will repay.
any thoughts?
19 Apr 07
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19 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacAs an atheist, I'm reluctant to draw any ethical conclusions from the bible. My view is that capital punishment is a barbaric throwback to earlier human civilisations.
should governments be allowed to enforce capital punishment?
spiritually speaking, of course.
and, please provide grounds and warrants.
i am torn.
as a theist, which is a popular word on here, and as a xian theist to boot, i try to develop my social contracts and desires from the bible.
paul writes that the government is to carry the sword to defen ...[text shortened]... ave them do unto you.
prophets say that vengeance is god's. he will repay.
any thoughts?
If I were to draw any conclusions I would of course choose those that suit my viewpoint - in this case that'd be Jesus and his views.
But anyone is going to do exactly the same thing - use whichever texts support their view. You either support state-sponsored murder (OK I'm being a bit provocative) or you don't.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by bbarrif i recall from other posts, you don't hail from the same starting position as me, but i've thought about what you'd said here.
Dead men can't repent.
if, as an "evangelical fundie," if i desire for people to be saved, and if i don't believe in chances after death, then i should want them to stay around at least until they "repent" as you say.
however, since i'm not a freewill guy, and only god chooses to save, and if they're on death row (a lot of if's i know) and could be harmful to others if still alive... then perhaps.
you see my wrestling.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by kirksey957that's not what i'm getting at, but of course everybody must "work out" some parts to make them mesh with other parts. also, if it was inspired by god, then i'm sure there are some things we just don't grasp.
Are you telling me that there are contradictions in the Bible?
now, if you could give an opinion.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacHow many people (prisoners, guards etc.) are killed by people currently on death row?
if i recall from other posts, you don't hail from the same starting position as me, but i've thought about what you'd said here.
if, as an "evangelical fundie," if i desire for people to be saved, and if i don't believe in chances after death, then i should want them to stay around at least until they "repent" as you say.
however, since i'm not a freew ...[text shortened]... d could be harmful to others if still alive... then perhaps.
you see my wrestling.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by XanthosNZin truth, i don't know.
How many people (prisoners, guards etc.) are killed by people currently on death row?
but, it's certainly not outside the range of possibilities. and besides, if one is killed wouldn't that increase his need for accountability?
again, i'm not certain on my position here. i'm looking for both theistic responses and a(non)theistic responses.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by amannionAs an atheist why do you think capital punishment is a barbaric
As an atheist, I'm reluctant to draw any ethical conclusions from the bible. My view is that capital punishment is a barbaric throwback to earlier human civilisations.
If I were to draw any conclusions I would of course choose those that suit my viewpoint - in this case that'd be Jesus and his views.
But anyone is going to do exactly the same thing - ...[text shortened]... ew. You either support state-sponsored murder (OK I'm being a bit provocative) or you don't.
throwback? Without religion what other reason do you have to keep
someone alive who was found guilty of some crime so bad that
death has been called for? Do you think life that important, I don't
see that out of the godless world view where death is just a basic
natural part of the whole process as far life evolving and moving
forward. If I were an atheist and I'm not, to me it would simply be
just kill them if they did something so bad the punishment is that
bad. Why waist a penny keeping them alive we could be using for
something else, like someone who just needs a hand for a short
term like paying for an education.
Kelly
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacFind out. Also, how many people are executed that were later found to be innocent?
in truth, i don't know.
but, it's certainly not outside the range of possibilities. and besides, if one is killed wouldn't that increase his need for accountability?
again, i'm not certain on my position here. i'm looking for both theistic responses and a(non)theistic responses.
19 Apr 07
Originally posted by KellyJayHere's something, morals don't just come from a really ancient book.
As an atheist why do you think capital punishment is a barbaric
throwback? Without religion what other reason do you have to keep
someone alive who was found guilty of some crime so bad that
death has been called for? Do you think life that important, I don't
see that out of the godless world view where death is just a basic
natural part of the whole p ...[text shortened]... lse, like someone who just needs a hand for a short
term like paying for an education.
Kelly