20 Apr 07
Originally posted by kirksey957Absolutely!
Actually I have met a murderer. A really nice gentle soul. Did his time and came out of prison looking to redeem his life and help others turn their lives around and is doing a quite remarkable job at it. He has a loving wife and two wonderful kids. It's kind of nice to see the Gospel lived out, wouldn't you say?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by amannionOh, I agree. I hate the current state of affairs, foreign or otherwise. But, this does go to a previous question I had.
And look at where constantly recasting more and more stones gets us - Iraq, Iran, Israel, Afghanistan, Sudan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, and on and on.
Yeah, casting all those stones really makes a lot of sense doesn't it?
At which point should a country step in stop the genocide of a another country?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by amannion100% Agreement.
I know I would think differently if it was my own family that were affected. I'm not completely inhuman.
Were my wife or children to be murdered I would be screaming for revenge.
But as I've said before, this should not be the hallmark of a justice system, and is the very reason why families of victims should not have an input into what happens to the perpretators. Let cooler heads prevail would be my thought.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacAh, that's a whole other story. I'm all for foreign intervention for the purpose of saving lives.
Oh, I agree. I hate the current state of affairs, foreign or otherwise. But, this does go to a previous question I had.
At which point should a country step in stop the genocide of a another country?
But that isn't capital punishment of course.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacPerhaps these will help:
I'm not so sure enlightenment has anything to do with it. It's funny how people always define their position as the enlightened one.
As far as "casting the first stone," didn't the murderer cast the first stone?
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).
You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:43-44).
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another (John 13:34).
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).
Is it more enlightened to carry compassion and love in one's heart or vengeance in one's heart?
A murderer does not cast the first stone in the adjudication of his own case. Someone with a vengeful heart does.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneExcellent reply, and I must take some time to formulate a response. I may come back and say simply, "Ok."
Perhaps these will help:
[i]Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).
You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those ...[text shortened]... he first stone in the adjudication of his own case. Someone with a vengeful heart does.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by XanthosNZStop spouting things I have not said, and read what I wrote.
STOP TRYING TO CLAIM THAT THE OPTIONS ARE EARLY RELEASE OR EXECUTION! WHAT IS WRONG WITH PRISON FOR LIFE?
As far as what is wrong with life in jail, I don't want to waist one penny
on keeping someone alive who has done some of the nasty things we
put people to death for, spend that money on keeping people in jail
who may learn to improve their lives there. If they have done
something so bad we kill people for their crimes, than put them to
death and move on.
Kelly
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by kirksey957I don't think you came near the Gospel being lived out by what you
Notice the post I was responding to. The person I was responding to presents a "let's stone them" attitude while at the same time conveying his deep profound Christian faith.
To get back to your question about how the gospel is being lived out in his life- he is a successful and well respected drug and alcohol counselor. In the spirit of Luke 4:18, h ...[text shortened]... nd bringing healing to the captives." Of course bringing this up nearly got Jesus stoned.
said, anyone can lived a successful drug and alcohol free life, so what
has that to do with the Gospel being lived out?
Kelly
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by TheSkipperI disagree. Life in prison is not cheaper, we stop paying shortly after
I find it totally inappropriate for our justice system to engage in the 'perfect' punishment (perfect - in that it is final) before it (the justice system) is perfect itself. Life in prison is cheaper more humane and allows for mistakes.
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we put them to death.
Kelly
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by amannionWell, only personal taste seems to be all that matters in this discussion.
Not at all.
We don't kill people here in Australia but that doesn't mean that murder is acceptable. It's not about what is acceptable or not to punish someone - it's about whether you are prepared to sanction the state killing any of its citizens.
I'm not.
Kelly
