Spirituality
30 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI just spotted this scriptural and ideological incoherence in your furball post.
I’d also like to point out many believe that God is more kind in the NT than the OT, well due to Jesus sin was dealt with, and God is actively seeking those who would turn to him on an individual level
Ok, you say that the reason that God is “kinder” in the NT than the old is because “sin has been dealt with”. This is wonderful and I cannot theologically disagree with you.
But wait a minute.... don’t you also claim that Jesus was warning everyone (well, not everyone, just the few in earshot at the time before the gospels were written) about him burning them alive in hell??
So how does this hold together KellyJay?
Sin is “dealt with”
God is “kinder”
But Jesus is still raving on about torturing people alive if they don’t like his posts. Well you get my point...
Can you explain?
27 Aug 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterThank you for the bump!
I just spotted this scriptural and ideological incoherence in your furball post.
Ok, you say that the reason that God is “kinder” in the NT than the old is because “sin has been dealt with”. This is wonderful and I cannot theologically disagree with you.
But wait a minute.... don’t you also claim that Jesus was warning everyone (well, not every ...[text shortened]... orturing people alive if they don’t like his posts. Well you get my point...
Can you explain?
The reason of grace has been given to us in Christ Jesus who now sits at the right hand of the Father for us. This sets us up with God in Christ, before that there was the blood of sheep and other temporary sacrifices. Sin has to be accounted for completely and righteously, in Christ that is done, outside of Christ the sinners pay for it, completely and righteously.
27 Aug 18
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Originally posted by @kellyjayCould you instead answer my specific question please KellyJay rather than merely writing down some generalised but unrelated stuff about grace.
Thank you for the bump!
The reason of grace has been given to us in Christ Jesus who now sits at the right hand of the Father for us. This sets us up with God in Christ, before that there was the blood of sheep and other temporary sacrifices. Sin has to be accounted for completely and righteously, in Christ that is done, outside of Christ the sinners pay for it, completely and righteously.
Is my question clear? Seriously; happy to write it differently if not.
28 Aug 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterGrace isn't unrelated, you either receive it or you die in your sins. God's Kingdom is what
Could you instead answer my specific question please KellyJay rather than merely writing down some generalised but unrelated stuff about grace.
Is my question clear? Seriously; happy to write it differently if not.
Jesus preached about, it is entering into God's Kingdom, becoming a son of God. All of
these are either done through the work of Christ, or you are attempting to get in good with
God on own efforts. Your own efforts are never going to be good enough.
Do you believe God is worse in the NT than the OT, because people dying in their sins
and are thrown into Hell are brought up by Jesus?
28 Aug 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI dont accept anyone as my Lord and saviour. So what? Whats that got to do with understanding spirituality?
You spend a lot of time worrying about someone else’ servant. For someone who rejects Jesus Christ as Lord why do you complain about someone else who has accepted Him, who you have rejected as Lord and King. Do you think finding some fault in another justifies you?
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelShe said Jesus is not 'just' a guru. (He is more than that).
I understand all too well. Jesus is not a guru? Do you know what a guru is?
28 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSo you will stand before God in your own righteousness not Christ, it isn't going to go well
I dont accept anyone as my Lord and saviour. So what? Whats that got to do with understanding spirituality?
for you.
Originally posted by @kellyjayJesus never said that. You continue to promote your false nonsense church dogma. What Jesus said is that it would not go well for these types of people
So you will stand before God in your own righteousness not Christ, it isn't going to go well
for you.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked,and ye clothed me not: sick,
and in prison, and ye visited me not.
(Matthew 25:41-43 KJV)
The cursed people who will be cast out of the Kingdom of God are the ones who do not do good works. It would not go well for them
28 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelDo you?
I understand all too well. Jesus is not a guru? Do you know what a guru is?
28 Aug 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelIt goes a long way in understanding that all your talk about "the LORD" is just that -- talk.
I dont accept anyone as my Lord and saviour. So what? Whats that got to do with understanding spirituality?
28 Aug 18
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Originally posted by @rajk999“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
Jesus never said that. You continue to promote your false nonsense church dogma. What Jesus said is that it would not go well for these types of people
[i]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was th ...[text shortened]... of the Kingdom of God are the ones who do not do good works. It would not go well for them [/b]
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ " -- Matthew 7:22-23, NKJV
The 'wonders' He speaks of here are works. Jesus is saying that this is simply not enough. One must do the will of the Father, which is to love Him and believe on His name, not just to do many 'wonders' in hopes of 'showing' or 'proving' how righteous one is.
Originally posted by @suzianneIf you do not understand what Jesus and the Apostles preached then someone elses personal life and conduct and testimony will not help either. And this is the advice of Jesus Himself. This is for your jokers on this forum of which you are chief, who believe in personal testimony and confessions as a prerequisite to understanding the word of God.
It goes a long way in understanding that all your talk about "the LORD" is just that -- talk.
The Rich Man when he ended up in torment because his selfish Christian-like lifestyle of not doing good works wanted to go back to warn his family of his fate. :
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:27-31 KJV)
You do not need, neither should you care for the testimony of others. If you do then you are weak and lost. If you fail to hear and understand Jesus and the Apostles then nobody's testimony will help either.
Get that in your stupid skull.
Originally posted by @suzianneMore church nonsense. The wonderful works were referred to as works of iniquity by Jesus. 'Do some research and try to improve your understanding instead of swallowing church foolishness.
“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ " -- Matthew 7:22-23, NKJV
The 'wonders' He speaks of here are good works. Jesus is saying that this ...[text shortened]... e, not just to do many 'wonders' in hopes of 'showing' or 'proving' how righteous one is.
The Greek word for 'wonderful' is really miracle workers. These are people who cast out devils etc. Casting out devils etc are not the good works described by Christ. They were rejected because they were workers of iniquity or evil workers. Read your bible or go home and ask your husband to interpret it for you as Paul suggested.
dunamis doo'-nam-is force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): - ability, abundance, meaning, might (-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle (-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work.