Unitarianism

Originally posted by buckky
Thast all sounds great. I had no idea what they beleved, but that sure more sane the Christian crap that makes one want to puke. I'll check out the Unitarians. I like the sound of it. Thanks.

Good luck in your attempt to save yourself.
I don't think there is much chance of that happening though.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Good luck in your attempt to save yourself.
I don't think there is much chance of that happening though.

Saved from what ? The boogie man ?

Originally posted by buckky
Saved from what ? The boogie man ?

Saved from yours sins and the punishment of eternal torment.
No need to pray for you. I'm sure you would not like that, so
I will only wish you good luck.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Saved from yours sins and the punishment of eternal torment.
No need to pray for you. I'm sure you would not like that, so
I will only wish you good luck.

You have a very barbaric religion to hang on to my friend. I wish you luck.

Originally posted by buckky
You have a very barbaric religion to hang on to my friend. I wish you luck.

I don't need luck, just Jesus.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't need luck, just Jesus.

Nothing wrong with Jesus. I'm sure he finds what has happened to his message to be very sad. The Christian church has very little to do with Jesus. Common sense tells you something is totally messed up with the Christian doctrine. It's not even a charming story. Most religions charm you in witha pleasant story, but the Christian story is soo vile that I'm amazed anyone ever found it appealing. What is there is like about the Christian story ? See it my way or go to Hell is the message. Not very pretty.

Originally posted by buckky
Nothing wrong with Jesus. I'm sure he finds what has happened to his message to be very sad. The Christian church has very little to do with Jesus. Common sense tells you something is totally messed up with the Christian doctrine. It's not even a charming story. Most religions charm you in witha pleasant story, but the Christian story is soo vile that I'm ama ...[text shortened]... like about the Christian story ? See it my way or go to Hell is the message. Not very pretty.

It is very pretty, if you make the right choice. And that is easy to do.
Just repent of your sins and trust in Jesus, who is faithful and true.
That does not mean trusting in a church; only Jesus saves.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is very pretty, if you make the right choice. And that is easy to do.
Just repent of your sins and trust in Jesus, who is faithful and true.
That does not mean trusting in a church; only Jesus saves.

If someone holds a gun to my head and says worship me or I will blow your head off I might do it out of fear, but is that what religion or God suppose to be like ? The whole idea of you must become a Christian or you will be punished for an eternity sounds like cruel and unusual punishment, and would considered savage by any civilized personage. When you offer a person a way out by sending someone to die on the cross as a Blood sacrifice to appease an angry God then you have just stepped back in time to the stone age. Primitive concept of God to say the least.

Originally posted by buckky
If someone holds a gun to my head and says worship me or I will blow your head off I might do it out of fear, but is that what religion or God suppose to be like ? The whole idea of you must become a Christian or you will be punished for an eternity sounds like cruel and unusual punishment, and would considered savage by any civilized personage. When you offe ...[text shortened]... you have just stepped back in time to the stone age. Primitive concept of God to say the least.

God gave you the free will to either love and obey him or hate and
disobey him. You chose to hate and disobey him because you did
not think it was fair that you could not do anything you wanted to.
But a father has to punish his child for disobedience else he will
always be bad. But all you have to do is return and love and obey
your heavenly Father God, who has adopted you; and He will forgive
you. And you want even have to receive the punishment you deserve,
because His only begotten Son has volunteered to take your punishment
for you. So you need only accept this free gift and repent.

Originally posted by Kunsoo
What is it exactly?

It's about numbers.

Unitarian

Bitarian

Tritarian

and son on.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I would not consider that appropriate. I believe the most
appropriate way to address a prayer would be to the Father
in the name of the Lord Jesus.

But that's because you believe in a Father in the name of Lord Jesus.

Originally posted by buckky
If someone holds a gun to my head and says worship me or I will blow your head off I might do it out of fear, but is that what religion or God suppose to be like ? The whole idea of you must become a Christian or you will be punished for an eternity sounds like cruel and unusual punishment, and would considered savage by any civilized personage. When you offe ...[text shortened]... you have just stepped back in time to the stone age. Primitive concept of God to say the least.

It also doesn't seem like a deep faith, to believe because you will suffer if you don't.

Originally posted by josephw
It's about numbers.

Unitarian

Bitarian

Tritarian

and son on.

So Jews and Muslims are Unitarian?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Dr. Walter Martin said, "Unitarianism is a product of the deification
of Reason, the rejection of Biblical authority and an indescribably
fierce pride in one's ability to save himself from the awful penalty
of sin."

Unitarians may say they believe in God. But not the God of the
trinity consisting of three persons, the Father, the Son, and the
Holy S ...[text shortened]... d development, although
none of these writings are infallible; and they accept evolution.

I don't know who Dr. Walter Martin is, but I would trust the members of a faith to describe their beliefs more than an outsider with an agenda against that belief system. Do they really believe in their ability to save themselves from the "awful penalty of sin?" That would require a belief in the awful penalty of sin. It would require a belief in sin. Do Unitarians believe in either? If not then Dr. Martin's comment doesn't make any sense at all.

Originally posted by Kunsoo
I don't know who Dr. Walter Martin is, but I would trust the members of a faith to describe their beliefs more than an outsider with an agenda against that belief system. Do they really believe in their ability to save themselves from the "awful penalty of sin?" That would require a belief in the awful penalty of sin. It would require a belief in sin. Do ...[text shortened]... tarians believe in either? If not then Dr. Martin's comment doesn't make any sense at all.

The following is the first paragraph of the article on Unitarianism
from wikipedia:

Unitarianism is a Christian theological movement, named for its understanding of God as one person, namely God the Father, existing separate from Jesus, in direct contrast to Trinitarianism which defines God as three persons coexisting consubstantially as one in being. It is also known for the rejection of several orthodox doctrines besides the Trinity, including the soteriological doctrines of original sin and predestination, and biblical inerrancy.

They seem to believe man can do good and evil. Perhaps doing evil
is not sin to them. You may have a point since they apparently don't
accept the orignal sin idea of Adam and eve. Therefore, they would not
need a savior. Wikipedia says there is no centralized authority as to what
all their beliefs are.