Originally posted by chaney3You seem to want to clear up whatever it is, but I'm still not unequivocally clear on whether you consider yourself to be a Christian or not. You either are or you are not. You can be an ex-Christian, you can be considering becoming one, you can be considering not being one anymore, you can be ex but still theist, you can be ex and now atheist, you can be many things...but you cannot be a Christian and not be one at the same time.
So, Dive and FMF,
Are we now done with this, and moving forward? Or is there more to discuss?
Edit: if you want any chance of being taken seriously in this forum you have to stand in one corner or another, you can't flit about from one to another pretending to be sincere and barking like a demented little dog, which is what you tend to do.
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Originally posted by chaney3I just can't seem to understand why you would want the approval of these two repugnant, siamese twin cyberbullies. You don't need their affirmation or approval, you don't owe them anything.
So, Dive and FMF,
Are we now done with this, and moving forward? Or is there more to discuss?
28 May 17
Here's my postition just to show fair play:
I'm a Christian, absolutely and unequivocally. But i have major issues with some of the teachings based on what I consider to be poor interpretations of complex spiritual issues. Furthermore I have issues with God with topics such as the flood and the violence in the OT. However I stand to be enlightened on this one day sooner or later, but my issue remains and I will reason it out with my God as he invites us to. I also have issues with faith. Sometimes my faith is weak and my behaviour frequently poor in contrast to the standards written about in the NT. on the other hand I find it impossible to not believe for some reason. I have lots of doubts but he, Jesus, sustains me I believe.
So I'm a weak, flawed Christian.
28 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterFair play, indeed.
Here's my postition just to show fair play:
I'm a Christian, absolutely and unequivocally. But i have major issues with some of the teachings based on what I consider to be poor interpretations of complex spiritual issues. Furthermore I have issues with God with topics such as the flood and the violence in the OT. However I stand to be enlightened on ...[text shortened]... n. I have lots of doubts but he, Jesus, sustains me I believe.
So I'm a weak, flawed Christian.
Your thoughts in this post are not too far off from my current position, except that I have not yet committed to calling myself a Christian today.
However, if I did call myself a Christian today, I would not consider myself anything close to a good Christian.
So, I'm torn, and waddling in the middle of the lake, far off from both sides of shore, as Ghost once described me. It's a terrible place to be.
Originally posted by chaney3Being unsure is always a good place to be, because it keeps us hungry. I'm always wary of Christians who have it all buttoned up.
Fair play, indeed.
Your thoughts in this post are not too far off from my current position, except that I have not yet committed to calling myself a Christian today.
However, if I did call myself a Christian today, I would not consider myself anything close to a good Christian.
So, I'm torn, and waddling in the middle of the lake, far off from both sides of shore, as Ghost once described me. It's a terrible place to be.
One thing I do like about you is your hunger for truth, I don't think you fake this. There is a real sense of urgency in you to understand and believe. In my humble opinion this aspect to you is from the Lord. The reason I believe this is that without his energy we all turn away, passively, sometimes aggressively, but we all turn and stop seeking.
The bible (somewhere), I think it's Jesus who says, "blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness". This hunger is not from ourselves in my opinion.
Originally posted by chaney3I promise you no matter what you do or say it never be enough with some here. Not only that they will twist somethings you say just to accuse you. If your seeking approval you're not going to get it.
I do have respect for the forum and the people who post here. I have been branded a liar and feel it necessary to try and clear it up.
28 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterThanks a-hole.*
Being unsure is always a good place to be, because it keeps us hungry. I'm always wary of Christians who have it all buttoned up.
One thing I do like about you is your hunger for truth, I don't think you fake this. There is a real sense of urgency in you to understand and believe. In my humble opinion this aspect to you is from the Lord. The reason I ...[text shortened]... ey who hunger and thirst after righteousness". This hunger is not from ourselves in my opinion.
Yes, I have a sincere hunger for the truth.
*for balance. 🙂
and joking of course.
Originally posted by chaney3Well my humble advice is to fan the flames of that hunger, but remember a couple of things if I can be so bold;
Yes, I have a sincere hunger for the truth.
1) you won't find what you are looking for in this forum anymore than the women would not find what they were looking for in the tomb. "Why seek the living among the dead?"
2) we are all flawed, and much much more flawed than you are in your alcoholism. Resist it of course, but dont be too hard on yourself by comparing yourself to others. We are all crap.
28 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterThank you Dive.
Well my humble advice is to fan the flames of that hunger, but remember a couple of things if I can be so bold;
1) you won't find what you are looking for in this forum anymore than the women would not find what they were looking for in the tomb. "Why seek the living among the dead?"
2) we are all flawed, and much much more flawed than you are in ...[text shortened]... it of course, but dont be too hard on yourself by comparing yourself to others. We are all crap.
It appears that I must find a new arch-enemy.
FMF it is!!