Spirituality
05 Jun 09
06 Jun 09
Originally posted by menace71I am a Christian, and this is a question that has plagued me for years. Here is what I have come to in the past year: God is eternal. Sin is an offense to God. So when you commit a sin, it is an offense to God eternally.
This is a question I asked my pastor friend. Why eternity in hell? Is any crime/sin ever committed = to eternity in hell? I believe in punishment for crimes but I'm curious to why eternity compared to finite sins? Even the most vile crime would seem less in light of eternal punishment. I'm not trying to be smug toward God or question him but thats a huge punishment for not knowing or accepting Christ or sinning or whatever.
Manny
Basically, if my sin is an eternal crime against God, then why should my punishment not be equal?
06 Jun 09
Originally posted by scherzo"liberal Muslim"....if Hell is up for debate, is Mohammad as well? What about Allah? Jihad?
I'm a liberal Muslim, so I believe that each person sentenced to Hell is only sentenced for six weeks, or something. After that they have to go prove that they've changed and that they feel sorry for what they've done. If they don't, they get another six-week term. If they do, they can go to Heaven.
By the way, Revelations was written by a kind of crazy guy after the rest of the Bible.
....whatever....
anyways, where did you get the whole "crazy guy after the rest of the bible" thing from? Revelations was written approximently 40-90AD....as far as verifying literary texts...that's pretty good
06 Jun 09
Originally posted by chappy1It is probably because he is a "soulish man" who does not receive the things of the Spirit of God.
Why do you say he was crazy? The same man wrote the Gospel of John, was John crazy?
"But a soulish man does not recieve the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he is not able to know them because they are discernred spiritually." (1 Cor. 1:14)
07 Jun 09
Originally posted by c guy1This might be the best answer so far.
I am a Christian, and this is a question that has plagued me for years. Here is what I have come to in the past year: God is eternal. Sin is an offense to God. So when you commit a sin, it is an offense to God eternally.
Basically, if my sin is an eternal crime against God, then why should my punishment not be equal?
Manny
07 Jun 09
Originally posted by c guy1Hell is not a punishment for sin its a place you get sent for not believing in the tooth fairy.
I am a Christian, and this is a question that has plagued me for years. Here is what I have come to in the past year: God is eternal. Sin is an offense to God. So when you commit a sin, it is an offense to God eternally.
Basically, if my sin is an eternal crime against God, then why should my punishment not be equal?
07 Jun 09
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Revelation 20:12 - "And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened; and another scroll was opened, which is [the book] of life. And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their works."
Revelation 20:15 - "And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."
The perishing unbelievers will be judged according to the scrolls, which are a record of their works (vv.12-13), but they will be cast into the lake of fire according to the book of life. This indicates that they are condemned by the Lord because of their evil deeds but perish because of their unbelief, which issues in their not having their names written in the book of life. Not believing in the Lord Jesus is the unique sin that causes people to perish (John 16:9).
[Footnote 15(1), Recovery Version, Rev. 20:15]
07 Jun 09
Originally posted by jaywillI feel sorry for you having to live your life in a deluded world of ancient fantasy.
Revelation 20:12 - [b]"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened; and another scroll was opened, which is [the book] of life. And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrools, according to their works."
Revelation 20:15 - "And if anyone was not found written in the b ...[text shortened]... ses people to perish [b](John 16:9).
[Footnote 15(1), Recovery Version, Rev. 20:15][/b]
07 Jun 09
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Originally posted by Ironman2Believing into the Lord Jesus Christ is the best possible life I could have lived on this earth.
I feel sorry for you having to live your life in a deluded world of ancient fantasy.
I feel that if I am going to be a human being, I have to be a believer in Christ the Son of God.
07 Jun 09
Originally posted by jaywillBut you live your life as a lie. You are a liar to all around you and enforce this onto others.
Believing into the Lord Jesus Christ is the best possible life I could have lived on this earth.
I feel that if I am going to be a human being, I have to be a believer in Christ the Son of God.
07 Jun 09
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Originally posted by Ironman2No. Believing in Christ the Son of God is the best life that I could have possibly chosen. Had I to live 100 lives on earth I would not want to waste one of them as an unbeliever in Christ.
But you live your life as a lie. You are a liar to all around you and enforce this onto others.
Quite aside from hell, the discomfort of having no idea where one came from, why one is here, or what is the destiny of one, is punishment enough.
07 Jun 09
Originally posted by jaywillI dont need to know all that for my life to be complete. You have to spend your entire life working for God like a puppet who operates on hate for all who dont conform to your ancient beliefs.
No. Believing in Christ the Son of God is the best life that I could have possibly chosen. Had I to live 100 lives on earth I would not want to waste one of them as an unbeliever in Christ.
Quite aside from hell, the discomfort of having no idea where one came from, why one is here, or what is the destiny of one, is punishment enough.