05 Dec 05
Originally posted by windmillJust want to try and answer Windmill's question 🙂
While writing some threads on suicide I got talking to a person involved in wicca through the pm.Such a nice attitude towards life with a good heart and I find it sad that many Christians are lacking in these areas.Jesus as I said in one of my pm's is a good part of my life and I hope one day this person will see this.
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Keyteach@xtra.co.nz
We are just like everyone else, we laugh, cry, work, play and worship.
We celebrate different times of the year differently, just like other religions.
We have one simple "rule" (who needs 10) 🙂
Someone said we are a "bit to everybodies right". Only because we're happy for you to believe whatever you like, just remember that we don't believe what you do.
Many involved in other religions might find the idea of things like ritual sex or naked fire dancing strange, but it's no stranger than how we find many of your practices. My religious practices are no wierder to me than yours are to you.
We're not crazy, just different.
Blessed be...
05 Dec 05
Yes, it is unfair how the rest of the world stereotypes and persecutes the poor Wiccans.
From where I'm standing, for example, the whole things seems to point towards sad crusties who are like so totally at one with nature man, and would never dream of having anything concrete to believe in, as that might restrict them in their grooviness.
You can't possibly define this nonsense as a religion. It is a major, organised phony, is what it is, and more fool anyone for falling for it.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by sjegAlthough I can't speak for all of us but I don't feel stereotyped or persecuted.
Yes, it is unfair how the rest of the world stereotypes and persecutes the poor Wiccans.
From where I'm standing, for example, the whole things seems to point towards sad crusties who are like so totally at one with nature man, and would never dream of having anything concrete to believe in, as that might restrict them in their grooviness.
You can ...[text shortened]... eligion. It is a major, organised phony, is what it is, and more fool anyone for falling for it.
Do you define all religions as nonsense or just the ones you don't agree with?
05 Dec 05
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Originally posted by dagsWell if I defined the ones I agree with as nonsense, then where would that leave me?
Although I can't speak for all of us but I don't feel stereotyped or persecuted.
Do you define all religions as nonsense or just the ones you don't agree with?
Religion: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion)
sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine; and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of answers given to explain humankind's relationship with the universe.
If it has no true moral codes, practices, values, institutions or rituals, it is not a 'religion'. From the Latin, 'religo, religare', to bind. Wiccans are bound by nothing. I would conclude that Wicca cannot be defined a religion.
I don't mean to pour scorn on anybody- everyone is free to do as they please- but don't drag religion into this- it's an insult to the billions of people in this world who actually follow a real religion, whatever that might be.
EDIT: Well, ok. Maybe just a little scorn... But that's it.
05 Dec 05
Originally posted by sjegThanks 🙂
Damn Wiccans. So nice to everyone!
What they meant was "sometimes erroneously used...", but they missed a word.
😛
Ok- I'll stop with the cynicism- you won me over by being so bloody pleasant- get back to describing what you actually get up to, then, before I threw us off track.
We get up to the same things as everyone else, just different 🙂
05 Dec 05
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Originally posted by dagsI looked up Wicca at Religious Tolerance Org. and find it very beautiful, like art. Well, unpretentious art anyway.
Thanks 🙂
We get up to the same things as everyone else, just different 🙂
I suppose there could be charlatans and phonies out there, but an honest practitioner of Wicca would be benign, based on what I've read so far.
EDIT: Maybe "craft" is closer to what I have in mind than "art."
07 Dec 05
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Originally posted by dagsThanks 4 the reply Dags.
Just want to try and answer Windmill's question 🙂
We are just like everyone else, we laugh, cry, work, play and worship.
We celebrate different times of the year differently, just like other religions.
We have one simple "rule" (who needs 10) 🙂
Someone said we are a "bit to everybodies right". Only because we're happy for you to believe what ...[text shortened]... re no wierder to me than yours are to you.
We're not crazy, just different.
Blessed be...
I think i got a bit mixed up with you and Widget...sorry Widget.
I like how you respected my right to choose the religion of my choice.Respect is something that leaves a lot to be desired round here.Thank you.
As a Christian i'm not to sure how to approach some situations as i know i'm not that much different from others.It is what i believe in that makes the difference...not me.
Feel free to ride further if you or anyone else wishes as i havn't learnt that much...I guess this applies to other religions,crafts and beliefs also.This is a bit of a hard choice for me to agree with due to my belief but this is the 'spirituality forum' so i guess any other way holds prejudice.I hate prejudice.
Brent.🙂
07 Dec 05
Originally posted by sjegWiccans are not bound by nothing. They are bound by the Law: "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will," which comes from the Wiccan Rede.
Religion: (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion)
sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine; and the [b]moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of an ...[text shortened]... to bind. Wiccans are bound by nothing. I would conclude that Wicca cannot be defined a religion.
[ http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/rede.htm ]
Furthermore, the U.S. government recognizes it as a religion, therefore it can be defined as a religion. You might not like that it can be, but it can.
11 Dec 05
Originally posted by echeceroAh get over it- we had drawn a lovy dovy conclusion before you came and started spouting shite.
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If you think "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will," is a complex moral code to rival the monotheistic religions of this world, then fair play to you.
If you think that if one can legally define something a "religion" to evade paying taxes to the government in th U.S. under U.S. law, that that makes it a religion, then well done, and fair play to you again.
And I quote from ye Olde Book of Anciente Wicca-y:
"An' ye speaky in ye phony Olde Englishy, to mayke ye people thinky ye have been aroundy for longer than since ye nineteen fifty four-y, giving ye average punter ye little credit for ye basic intelligence. ooo arrr. Whar's me spindle?"
I am "harming ye none" in thinking that you are taking "ye piss", and as I frankly think you might as well get on with it and "do what ye will", then "whare's the problem"? Am I not a model Wiccan?
sjeg