02 Mar 22
@sonship said😁
@josephwHey, if divegeester shows up would someone please tell him I'm on bathroom break. 🤣
Oh no you aren't.
Ya runnin away! Ya runnin away !!
( Great post on Cain and the first religion ).
Okay skeptoids, the first man made religion devoid of revelation - full of man's idea and invention.
02 Mar 22
@fmf saidAnd there on hangs your entire world view. For you, and many others, if Christianity isn't a religion, your premise falls apart.
Christianity is a religion.
Unlike all religions Christianity's central "figure" is a resurrected savior. (Don't conflate with mythical figures for which mere scraps of evidence exists) There's no argument to be made by it.
You don't know, hence the label agnostic-atheist.
02 Mar 22
@fmf saidYou have no imagination because you can't see both sides of the argument. So you must refuse to acknowledge the simple logic that supports the assertion that Christianity is about a relationship with a living savior, and is not a religion, which it must be or your logic proves itself flawed.
Pointing it out to you - that Christianity is a religion - has nothing to do with imagination.
Your imagination is stifled by your need to be right, even when you know you don't know whether you are or not.
Don't think of this as me digging at you.
02 Mar 22
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@josephw saidYou are mistaken. Your side of this "argument" - that Christianity is not a religion because religions are different from Christianity - is a rhetorical gimmick, and a pretty unsophisticated one to boot. I have no difficulty seeing it for what it is.
You have no imagination because you can't see both sides of the argument.
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02 Mar 22
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FMF, before you reply with a question, answer mine first please.
Can a religion contain truth?
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02 Mar 22
@josephw saidIt's Ash Wednesday, @josephw. If your intent is to mock Christianity, this is the wrong day to do it.
You have no imagination because you can't see both sides of the argument. So you must refuse to acknowledge the simple logic that supports the assertion that Christianity is about a relationship with a living savior, and is not a religion, which it must be or your logic proves itself flawed.
Your imagination is stifled by your need to be right, even when you know you don't know whether you are or not.
Don't think of this as me digging at you.
03 Mar 22
@sonship saidSure. Religions reveal to us what people believe or used to believe in certain cultures and at certain times ~ and how these beliefs were codified into teachings.
Can a religion contain truth?
On that level, I think to say they "can" contain truth is unnecessarily tentative.
As for whether religions contain "truth" about supernatural causality? I am thoroughly agnostic about that. Obviously, I am willing to listen to what proponents have to say.
Religions can certainly speculate all they want about what is actually true. But whether or not these speculations "contain truth" is a rather moot - especially considering that religionists almost inevitably resort to the 'You will be proved wrong when you die' argument about what truth their religions contain.
So, can a religion contain truth?
Yes.
03 Mar 22
@kevin-eleven saidThat is the thing about Truth; everything is revealed in it for what it is. Which is a big deal considering Jesus said He is the Truth, He is the prime reality who is personable. He is also the Word of God which means that the entire universe and everything in it is all with meaning because it is all based on the living Word, the Truth.
Truth contains all religions, even if they are not true.
Isn't that enough?