04 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou cannot see your flaw but I will say it here for others to see.
what a pile of nothingness you produce, the verse clearly states, and i repeat,
for three years, night and day, I did not quit admonishing [b]each one with tears
that is spending time, with individuals cultivating in them, as the verse states, the
word of truth. Its not my fault you dont know the scriptures nor their import. Not
only ...[text shortened]... ose who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both
right and wrong.[/b]
First in Acts 20 Paul is 'admonishing each one with tears' about a specific course of events with will take place. He is not teaching them the gospel or the word of truth as you falsely claim ..
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Can you see why he is 'admonishing each one with tears' ? He is telling them that bad things are going to happen. He did not spend three years preaching the doctrine of the Jehovah Witnesses.
Next , your Hebrews quote is explaining the difference between new converts and experienced followers. Again you are twisting the Bible.
The process in conversion and life of the Christian all over the New Testament is :
1. Learn about Christ and the kingdom to come
2. Conversion, Repentance and Baptism
3. Good works, new life in Christ and additional Bible study.
The JWs method is about indoctrination so it must take several years.
04 Jan 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou quote parts of James 2:14 without context. Here it is below.
'faith without works is dead', please explain this verse to us. Indeed, i have always
found it quite interesting when watching nominal christians talk about this verse, it
seems to irk them, perhapsd they know deep down that they should be out helping
others apply Biblical knowledge in their lives and yet, they are saved, how cosy and
comfor s curl, its enough to make you rip your
garments in two and weep in sack cloth and ashes!
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love
your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; but if you show partiality, you
commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever
shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,”also said, “Do not murder.
”Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become
a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged
by the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to the one who has
shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does
not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and
destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be
warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are
needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it
does not have works, is dead.
(James 2:8-17 NKJV)
The idea you should being getting from this is to do the work of love for
your neighbor. Having faith that his needs will be met by saying to him
in faith, "be warmed and filled" is dead if you do not also do the work
necessary to provide him food and clothing. Preaching to him in faith is
useless in meeting his physical and spiritual needs, unless his physical
needs are taken care of first. James is talking about something entirely
different than Paul, who is speaking only of salvation of the soul from
the second death.
James goes on by saying the following:
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we
shall receive a stricter judgment.
(James 3:1 NKJV)
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You cannot see your flaw but I will say it here for others to see.He is not teaching them the gospel or the word of truth,
First in Acts 20 Paul is 'admonishing each one with tears' about a specific course of events with will take place. He is not teaching them the gospel or the word of truth as you falsely claim ..
9 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among tional Bible study.
The JWs method is about indoctrination so it must take several years.
clearly your reading comprehension is at an all time low, perhaps its your propensity
for deception and outright lies that is hampering your efforts, Again the verse that
refuted your now ludicrous claims,
(Acts 20:31-32) . . .“Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three
years, night and day, I did not quit admonishing each one with tears. And now I
commit you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which [word] can
build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones.
Clearly this is a reference to Gods word, the Holy bible which Paul was using to
teach and build the faith of those who were part of the congregation at that time,
how you could miss this is perhaps the greatest testimony to your deception, for
clearly something is blocking your understanding of scripture for i do not believe
that anyone can be some deviod of reading comprehension to have missed these
key elements. Perhaps if you stopped lying you might do better, who can say?
Indeed, this is reiterated in the following verse
(Romans 16:25) . . .Now to him who can make you firm in accord with the
good news I declare and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation
of the sacred secret which has been kept in silence for long-lasting times
So tell us again why it is we should not study? so that we can remain as ignorant as
you, i dont think so
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsfaith without works is dead, you have not explained why this is not the case, simply
You quote parts of James 2:14 without context. Here it is below.
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love
your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; but if you show partiality, you
commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever
shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is ...[text shortened]... of you become teachers, knowing that we
shall receive a stricter judgment.
(James 3:1 NKJV)
quoting the context, which i am very well aware of, says nothing.
04 Jan 12
so here we have it dear friends, Rajk telling us that Bible study is unnecessary even
though the Bible states that it leads to everlasting life, (John 17:3) and RJH telling us
that works dont matter, despite the fact that they give evidence that ones faith is alive
and well, have the nominal christians reached a new low, find out in next weeks
exciting episode of RajK and the milk drinkers (please dont give us solid food, were not
mature enough yet)
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhen the JW's go from house to house do they ask if anyone is in need
faith without works is dead, you have not explained why this is not the case, simply
quoting the context, which i am very well aware of, says nothing.
of food or clothing? Do they set up soup kitchens or provide food pantries
at their kingdom Halls to provide food for those that come in need of
food? Do they provide shelters for the homeless? This is what James
is speaking of by works.
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsIf there is someone in need we shall help them, having been homeless myself i am not
When the JW's go from house to house do they ask if anyone is in need
of food or clothing? Do they set up soup kitchens or provide food pantries
at their kingdom Halls to provide food for those that come in need of
food? Do they provide shelters for the homeless? This is what James
is speaking of by works.
unsympathetic to suffering, although i doubt sitting in ones home knitting a willy
warmer like you is helping anyone, we are in the business of helping others spiritually,
we are not in the business of feeding people with soup, we are in the business of
teaching people how to feed themselves, that takes a much greater effort and
commitment than handing out soup. Abraham was declared righteous because he
handed out soup? Rachel was declared righteous because she handed out clothes?
Once again your silly reasoning makes a mockery of the scriptures!
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am only explaining what James means in contrast to Paul's "faith alone"
If there is someone in need we shall help them, having been homeless myself i am not
unsympathetic to suffering, although i doubt sitting in ones home knitting a willy
warmer like you is helping anyone, we are in the business of helping others spiritually,
we are not in the business of feeding people with soup, we are in the business of
teach ...[text shortened]... se she handed out clothes?
Once again your silly reasoning makes a mockery of the scriptures!
teachings. They are not contradictory teachings if viewed in context,
which is often not the case with the Jehovah's Witnesses, who insist
on taking bits and pieces of scripture and twisting them to suit their
own understanding. Lean not to your own understanding but every
word in scripture. 😏
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you know :
.. the Bible states that it [bible study] leads to everlasting life...
- what % of the Jews in the time of Christ could read?
- what % of the Jews had a copy of the Old Testament?
- what % of the Greeks where Paul preached could read?
- what % of the Greeks had a copy of the Old Testament ?
By your rules you would condemn everyone because they cannot read. Fortunately Christ looks at the heart and mind of people.
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's just what the starving want, a magazine to read?! 😕
If there is someone in need we shall help them, having been homeless myself i am not
unsympathetic to suffering, although i doubt sitting in ones home knitting a willy
warmer like you is helping anyone, we are in the business of helping others spiritually,
we are not in the business of feeding people with soup, we are in the business of
teach ...[text shortened]... se she handed out clothes?
Once again your silly reasoning makes a mockery of the scriptures!
04 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn all you years as a Christian minister how many people have you successfully persuaded, for want of a better word, to join your organisation?
what? the starving? in all my years as a Christian minister i have never met anyone
starving? giving someone a magazine is not teaching them, is it, sigh.