02 Jan 12
Originally posted by FabianFnasI am only using modern English letters as an aid for English speakers
Yahshua, you say? They had modern letters at that time? I cannot believe it.
Then you say that he was known by the name "the Christ" a thousand before the language of English was established a whole continent away.
"Even the Roman governor recognized Him as King of the Jews" you say. Are you really sure it was not without irony? I know a worksman at ...[text shortened]... the time, written by a purpose of establish the new religion, just hearsay, nothing more.
to pronounce the Hebrew. I do not believe they used modern English
letters back then either. I did not think anyone could be that stupid,
so that is why I did not attempt to explain that.
02 Jan 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsSo adding the vowels which no one knows which were used is ok for you to do but not for anyone else?
I am only using modern English letters as an aid for English speakers
to pronounce the Hebrew. I do not believe they used modern English
letters back then either. I did not think anyone could be that stupid,
so that is why I did not attempt to explain that.
(Jehovah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb hawah (become); meaning “He Causes to Become”].
The personal name of God. (Isa 42:8; 54:5) Though Scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as “God,” “Sovereign Lord,” “Creator,” “Father,” “the Almighty,” and “the Most High,” his personality and attributes—who and what he is—are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.—Ps 83:18.
Correct Pronunciation of the Divine Name. “Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek tetra-, meaning “four,” and gramma, “letter&rdquo😉. These four letters (written from right to left) and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).
The Hebrew consonants of the name are therefore known. The question is, Which vowels are to be combined with those consonants? Vowel points did not come into use in Hebrew until the second half of the first millennium C.E. (See HEBREW, II [Hebrew Alphabet and Script].) Furthermore, because of a religious superstition that had begun centuries earlier, the vowel pointing found in Hebrew manuscripts does not provide the key for determining which vowels should appear in the divine name.
02 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75I have already explained this to you before. And the pronunciation
So adding the vowels which no one knows which were used is ok for you to do but not for anyone else?
(Jehovah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb hawah (become); meaning “He Causes to Become”].
The personal name of God. (Isa 42:8; 54:5) Though Scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as “God,” “Sovereign Lord,” “Cr ...[text shortened]... uscripts does not provide the key for determining which vowels should appear in the divine name.
of the common word of praise meaning "praise the Lord" is proof.
Look up hallelujah in the dictionary. The one being praise "Jah" is
pronounced "Yah". There was no "J" sound there because there
was no "J" until the middle ages. Look it up in the encycopedia.
http://www.amarel.com/letter-j-a-recent-addition-.html
02 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsAnd it's been explained to you too. It's just that you can't make these names work with the trinity so you refuse to see the obvious.
I have already explained this to you before. And the pronunciation
of the common word of praise meaning "praise the Lord" is proof.
Look up hallelujah in the dictionary. The one being praise "Jah" is
pronounced "Yah". There was no "J" sound there because there
was no "J" until the middle ages. Look it up in the encycopedia.
http://www.amarel.com/letter-j-a-recent-addition-.html
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsumm that the father and son are no one and the same person, that's pretty obvious
What is obvious to you that I refuse to see?
but because of your Neoplatonic philosophy, you cannot tell the difference between the
two, thus your whole spiritual vision is impaired,
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75I know, its like pulling teeth, you post something intelligent for discussion, watchtower
Do you have no comments on the thread itself?
this, watchtower that, heck these guys mention it so much more you think they were
on the writing committee, lol, i wonder if they have actually read a watchtower in their
lives, or like Raj they get other people to do it for them.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have never claimed the Father is the same person as the Son. In fact
umm that the father and son are no one and the same person, that's pretty obvious
but because of your Neoplatonic philosophy, you cannot tell the difference between the
two, thus your whole spiritual vision is impaired,
the trinity doctrine claims that they are two distinct persons, not one
person. The third person of the triune God is the Holy Spirit. It is the
person of the Son that died on the cross, not the Father.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou should not doubt that I read the Watchtower, since I told you I have
I know, its like pulling teeth, you post something intelligent for discussion, watchtower
this, watchtower that, heck these guys mention it so much more you think they were
on the writing committee, lol, i wonder if they have actually read a watchtower in their
lives, or like Raj they get other people to do it for them.
studied with the JWs and have gone to a Kingdom hall. In fact I just went
over and picked one up off a shelf. It is not a current one but it is dated
May 1, 2011, which is not too old. It has like six pieces of a pie with the
words "6 BIBLE PROPHECIES You ARE Seeing Fulfilled" on the cover. I
will admit they have some good information in them at times.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSo you just went into a Kingdom Hall and helped yourself to the magazines?
You should not doubt that I read the Watchtower, since I told you I have
studied with the JWs and have gone to a Kingdom hall. In fact I just went
over and picked one up off a shelf. It is not a current one but it is dated
May 1, 2011, which is not too old. It has like six pieces of a pie with the
words "6 BIBLE PROPHECIES You ARE Seeing Fulfilled" on the cover. I
will admit they have some good information in them at times.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSo now we're getting a new answer and explination of the trinity from you? So do your trinity friends here agree with this explination of yours now?
I have never claimed the Father is the same person as the Son. In fact
the trinity doctrine claims that they are two distinct persons, not one
person. The third person of the triune God is the Holy Spirit. It is the
person of the Son that died on the cross, not the Father.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsOne simple question for you and I'd like a simple answer if you can...
I have never claimed the Father is the same person as the Son. In fact
the trinity doctrine claims that they are two distinct persons, not one
person. The third person of the triune God is the Holy Spirit. It is the
person of the Son that died on the cross, not the Father.
Why is the Holy Spirit never called the Father or Son?
03 Jan 12
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Originally posted by galveston75The Holy Spirit is a different person from the Father or the Son. 😏
One simple question for you and I'd like a simple answer if you can...
Why is the Holy Spirit never called the Father or Son?
P.S. I believe it was the Son that said, "Let Us make man in Our Image."
He was speaking as the "Word" to the Father and the Holy Spirit.