Originally posted by RJHindsSo you are saying that before the letter "J" there was no /j/ sound?
I have already explained this to you before. And the pronunciation
of the common word of praise meaning "praise the Lord" is proof.
Look up hallelujah in the dictionary. The one being praise "Jah" is
pronounced "Yah". There was no "J" sound there because there
was no "J" until the middle ages. Look it up in the encycopedia.
http://www.amarel.com/letter-j-a-recent-addition-.html
I presume before the letter "A" there was no /a/ sound, and before the letter "B" no /b/ sound etc.
Therefore before a written language everyone was mute!!!
Bravo!
Originally posted by wolfgang59No. Where did I say that? There was no "J" or "J" sound in the Hebrew.
So you are saying that before the letter "J" there was no /j/ sound?
I presume before the letter "A" there was no /a/ sound, and before the letter "B" no /b/ sound etc.
Therefore before a written language everyone was mute!!!
Bravo!
The English name "Jesus" was derived from the Greek "Iesous" by way
of Latin.
http://theletterj.followersofyah.com/
Originally posted by RJHindsremember?
No. Where did I say that? There was no "J" or "J" sound in the Hebrew.
The English name "Jesus" was derived from the Greek "Iesous" by way
of Latin.
http://theletterj.followersofyah.com/
03 Jan '12 11:09
" .... There was no "J" sound there because there was no "J" until the middle ages. Look it up in the encycopedia."[sic]
Originally posted by FabianFnasHis name is Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible tells us quite a bit about Him.
It's about what you know about Jesus? Then what do you know? Skip the hearsay, just give me the facts.
First - what was his real name?
Read it and then you will know too.
One very striking thing about Jesus that we know is His lineage. All the way back to Adam.
Do you know as much about anyone else?
Originally posted by josephwJulius Caesar's lineage went back to Anchises and none other than Aphrodite, just as reliably as the lineage you cite. And she predated Zeus.
His name is Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible tells us quite a bit about Him.
Read it and then you will know too.
One very striking thing about Jesus that we know is His lineage. All the way back to Adam.
Do you know as much about anyone else?
Originally posted by josephwJosephw wrote: "His name is Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible tells us quite a bit about Him."
His name is Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible tells us quite a bit about Him.
Read it and then you will know too.
One very striking thing about Jesus that we know is His lineage. All the way back to Adam.
Do you know as much about anyone else?
No, it isn't. If his mother called him "Jesus", he wouldn't recognize his name. This has been discussed recently, and I thnk we all agree that Jesus is a name given to him way after his death.
Josephw wrote: "One very striking thing about Jesus that we know is His lineage."
No, we don't. There are two lineages in the bible. One in Matthew, another one in Luke. And the two are not the same. One is wrong, we don't know which. Even the other one is wrong, becuase it says Joseph is the father of Jesus. He is not. Mary gave birth untouch by Joseph. Conclusion: We don't.
Josephw wrote: "Do you know as much about anyone else?"
This question is hereby obsolete.
Originally posted by RJHindsJesus did no creating himself as he is not the creator. His Father Jehovah is the only creator and the first thing he created was his son Jesus.
The Holy Spirit is a different person from the Father or the Son. 😏
P.S. I believe it was the Son that said, "Let Us make man in Our Image."
He was speaking as the "Word" to the Father and the Holy Spirit.
There is no mention of the holy spirit being there and having any kind of conversation. Don't add to the Bible......
THE Bible calls Jesus the “only-begotten Son” of God. (John 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9) Trinitarians say that since God is eternal, so the Son of God is eternal.
Trinitarians claim that in the case of Jesus, “only-begotten” is not the same as the dictionary definition of “begetting,” which is “to procreate as the father.” (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary) They say that in Jesus’ case it means “the sense of unoriginated relationship,” a sort of only son relationship without the begetting. (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words)
Furthermore, why does the Bible use the very same Greek word for “only-begotten” (as Vine admits without any explanation) to describe the relationship of Isaac to Abraham? Hebrews 11:17 speaks of Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begotten son.” There can be no question that in Isaac’s case, he was only-begotten in the normal sense, not equal in time or position to his father.
The basic Greek word for “only-begotten” used for Jesus and Isaac is monogenes, from monos, meaning “only,” and ginomai, a root word meaning “to generate,” “to become (come into being),” states Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance. Hence, monogenes is defined as: “Only born, only begotten, i.e. an only child.”—A Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament, by E. Robinson.
The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Gerhard Kittel, says: “[Monogenes] means ‘of sole descent,’ i.e., without brothers or sisters.” This book also states that at John 1:18; 3:16, 18; and 1 John 4:9, “the relation of Jesus is not just compared to that of an only child to its father. It is the relation of the only-begotten to the Father.”
So Jesus, the only-begotten Son, had a beginning to his life. And Almighty God can rightly be called his Begetter, or Father, in the same sense that an earthly father, like Abraham, begets a son. (Hebrews 11:17) Hence, when the Bible speaks of God as the “Father” of Jesus, it means what it says—that they are two separate individuals. God is the senior. Jesus is the junior—in time, position, power, and knowledge.
When one considers that Jesus was not the only spirit son of God created in heaven, it becomes evident why the term “only-begotten Son” was used in his case. Countless other created spirit beings, angels, are also called “sons of God,” in the same sense that Adam was, because their life-force originated with Jehovah God, the Fountain, or Source, of life. (Job 38:7; Psalm 36:9; Luke 3:38) But these were all created through the “only-begotten Son,” who was the only one directly begotten by God.—Colossians 1:15-17.
Originally posted by galveston75I've not read the Bible beginning to end so I could easily be wrong but...
Jesus did no creating himself as he is not the creator. His Father Jehovah is the only creator and the first thing he created was his son Jesus.
There is no mention of the holy spirit being there and having any kind of conversation. Don't add to the Bible......
His Father Jehovah is the only creator and the first thing he created was his son Jesus.
Are you sure? The start of Genesis implies that the first thing he created was light. Where does it say he created Jesus first? In fact where in the bible does it say that God/Jehovah/The Father actually created Jesus/The Son at all? I assert that the bible makes no mention of such an act and certainly not prior to the creation of all the stuff in Genesis.
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http://www.elijahdigby.org/CreativeRoles.html
It looks as though the new testaments Colossians and Corinthians revise the old testaments Genesis and mentions that 'The Son' was around before everything else. I will accept that it may also explicitly mention a creation-of-the-son act
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Don't add to the Bible......
Assuming my assertion above to be correct, then pot / kettle...
[edit]Apologies, looks like I went off half cocked again![/edit]
-- Penguin.
Originally posted by PenguinLife is what were speaking of here. Jesus was the first life form that was created....
I've not read the Bible beginning to end so I could easily be wrong but...
His Father Jehovah is the only creator and the first thing he created was his son Jesus.
Are you sure? The start of Genesis implies that the first thing he created was light. Where does it say he created Jesus first? In fact where in the bible does it say that God/Jehovah ...[text shortened]... le......[/i]
Assuming my assertion above to be correct, then pot / kettle...
-- Penguin.
Originally posted by wolfgang59I was referring to the Hebrew language, dummy.
remember?
03 Jan '12 11:09
" .... There was no "J" sound there because there was no "J" until the middle ages. Look it up in the encycopedia."[sic]
You also did not read my references.
Here is a repeat of the last reference, not and encyclopedia:
http://theletterj.followersofyah.com/
Originally posted by Rajk999well duh, 'the first-born of all creation', Colossians chapter 1:15. I think the Gman is
The basic questions which are put to you, as usual, you ignore. The question is ..
[b]Where does it [the Bible] say he created Jesus first?[/b]
ignoring you because of the lies that you print without actually reading the articles that
they are supposed to be about, i would ignore you as well, if I were him.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCol 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
well duh, 'the first-born of all creation', Colossians chapter 1:15.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Cherry picking again? Take the phrase where Christ created all things as well.
Do you accept that all things were created by him [Christ]? .. because it says that very clearly.
Galveston said "Jesus did no creating himself as he is not the creator. " Is that correct?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI dont care for your answers. Im just pointing out your mistakes to others. Dont bother answering again .. thank you.
well duh, 'the first-born of all creation', Colossians chapter 1:15. I think the Gman is
ignoring you because of the lies that you print without actually reading the articles that
they are supposed to be about, i would ignore you as well, if I were him.