03 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes I'm ignoring him and will continue as he is evil plain and simple and a complete waist of time to deal with....
well duh, 'the first-born of all creation', Colossians chapter 1:15. I think the Gman is
ignoring you because of the lies that you print without actually reading the articles that
they are supposed to be about, i would ignore you as well, if I were him.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow many times do I have to explain to you that does not mean He
well duh, 'the first-born of all creation', Colossians chapter 1:15.
was created? The Hebrew usage refers to position and has nothing
to do with being created. Why don't you get you head out and pay
attention? Then, you want have to endure my insulting language.
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Originally posted by Rajk999soo lets take it a step at a time, is Christ a part of creation, as the verse states or is he
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: [b]all things were created by him, and for him:
Cherry picking again? Take the ...[text shortened]...
Galveston said "Jesus did no creating himself as he is not the creator. " Is that correct?[/b]
not, and if he is, when was he created, for the term first born carries with it a
reference to time, so when was Christ created in relation to everything else?
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Originally posted by RJHindsyou need not explain anything to me, the verse is rather clear, it does not refer to
How many times do I have to explain to you that does not mean He
was created? The Hebrew usage refers to position and has nothing
to do with being created. Why don't you get you head out and pay
attention? Then, you want have to endure my insulting language
position, there is no position mentioned in the verse, once again you are attempting to
portray elements not specific in scripture, why? because your ideology is tainted by
neoplatonic metaphysics, that is why, now please stop doing it, its dishonest and makes
a mockery of the ancient text.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, He was the one doing the creating with the help of the Father and the
soo lets take it a step at a time, is Christ a part of creation, as the verse states or is he
not, and if he is, when was he created, for the term first born carries with it a
reference to time, so when was Christ created in relation to everything else?
Holy Spirit. Everything that was created was created for Him. The Father
and Holy Spirit helped Him in order to please Him. It pleased the Father
to please the Son. The Son said, "Let US create man in OUR image."
P.S. That is why He was willing to give his life to save His creation. All
that was created was for His pleasure.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI do not dispute this, proverbs prophetically speaks of Christ as being like a master
No, He was the one doing the creating with the help of the Father and the
Holy Spirit. Everything that was created was created for Him. The Father
and Holy Spirit helped Him in order to please Him. It pleased the Father
to please the Son. The Son said, "Let US create man in OUR image."
worker, beside his father, but it does not negate the fact that he is part of creation
himself, the first-born OF all creation.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy didn't the Father give His life instead of allowing His Son to
I do not dispute this, proverbs prophetically speaks of Christ as being like a master
worker, beside his father, but it does not negate the fact that he is part of creation
himself, the first-born OF all creation.
do it?
P.S. Being born and being created is two differnt things.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe Word is Christ.
soo lets take it a step at a time, is Christ a part of creation, as the verse states or is he
not, and if he is, when was he created, for the term first born carries with it a
reference to time, so when was Christ created in relation to everything else?
Rev_19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
All things were made by Christ. Christ was therefore the creator who created things together with God.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75I just love it when you sink yourself and your corrupt JW doctrine deeper in your hole of apostasy and falsity. If you need to call me evil when all I do is point out the truths of your false doctrines then you are clearly brainwashed by your cult.
Yes I'm ignoring him and will continue as he is evil plain and simple and a complete waist of time to deal with....
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Originally posted by Rajk999irrelevant to anything and tenuous to the extreme, he is also called many other things,
The Word is Christ.
[quote] Rev_19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The [b]Word of God.
1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ...[text shortened]... ings were made by Christ. Christ was therefore the creator who created things together with God.[/b]
so what? we do not dispute that things were created through the Christ, perhaps now
you will answer the question, when was he created in relation to other entities for the
verse is quite clear.
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Originally posted by Rajk999ok, that does it, Gman is correct, you really are not worth the effort, you were caught
I just love it when you sink yourself and your corrupt JW doctrine deeper in your hole of apostasy and falsity. If you need to call me evil when all I do is point out the truths of your false doctrines then you are clearly brainwashed by your cult.
out posting accusations against Jehovahs witnesses in articles from hate sights that you
had not even read, making you a fraud and a liar. Sorry we dont keep company with
frauds and liars.
03 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobie100% false prophesies ?? Hello ... are you thinking?
ok, that does it, Gman is correct, you really are not worth the effort, you were caught
out posting accusations against Jehovahs witnesses in articles from hate sights that you
had not even read, making you a fraud and a liar. Sorry we dont keep company with
frauds and liars.
Calling me a fraud and a liar ??? 😀