@bigdoggproblem saidSimilar things are said here in various slightly different ways all the time. I find it interesting that, on a message board like this, where people are sharing personal beliefs, they so often refer to other people who agree with them, or refer to how many people agree with them, or refer to how long people have believed the thing they agree with, or how "expert" someone who agrees with them supposedly is.
Did someone say this on a recent thread?
@fmf saidPeople believe things.
Similar things are said here in various slightly different ways all the time. I find it interesting that, on a message board like this, where people are sharing personal beliefs, they so often refer to other people who agree with them, or refer to how many people agree with them, or refer to how long people have believed the thing they agree with, or how "expert" someone who agrees with them supposedly is.
How shocking.
22 Jun 21
@suzianne saidTake me, for example. I have never once cited any other agnostic atheist, or appealed to the "authority" of an "expert" agnostic atheist, or referred to how many agnostic atheists there are.
People believe things.
How shocking.
"People believe things", sure, but appeals to tradition and appeals to authority are, at best, weak rhetoric, and at worst just informal fallacies.
A statement of belief should be able to stand on its own without talking about who or how many people agree.
22 Jun 21
@fmf saidFrom what I've seen is you like to stir the pot up so to speak!
Take me, for example. I have never once cited any other agnostic atheist, or appealed to the "authority" of an "expert" agnostic atheist, or referred to how many agnostic atheists there are.
"People believe things", sure, but appeals to tradition and appeals to authority are, at best, weak rhetoric, and at worst just informal fallacies.
A statement of belief should be able to stand on its own without talking about who or how many people agree.
-VR
@very-rusty saidFMF is a pot stirrer in a good way.
From what I've seen is you like to stir the pot up so to speak!
-VR
Somebody needs to do it otherwise the food does not cook properly.
22 Jun 21
@fmf saidActually, appeal to authority can be valid; powerful, even.
Take me, for example. I have never once cited any other agnostic atheist, or appealed to the "authority" of an "expert" agnostic atheist, or referred to how many agnostic atheists there are.
"People believe things", sure, but appeals to tradition and appeals to authority are, at best, weak rhetoric, and at worst just informal fallacies.
A statement of belief should be able to stand on its own without talking about who or how many people agree.
If was always weak at best, we skeptics could not effectively quote say, Bart Ehrman on the topic of NT history.
Other, lower quality 'authorities' are less convincing. This is probably more what you have in mind.
22 Jun 21
Unless you are doing a document study, it is laughable for those outside the group discussing what members of the other group believes is laughable.
The fact that the same questions are asked over and over again without resolution and the same people talking about it is beyond laughable.
22 Jun 21
@FMF
Psalm 133:1. “How good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell together in unity!”
1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
2 Corinthians 13:11.
Finally, brothers, continue to rejoice, to be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and of peace will be with you.
Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism
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@galveston75 saidMay brothers live together, hugging and cuddling without hanky-panky, and may they wash their socks and undies in the same load of laundry, and wear each others' socks and undies without fear but in brotherly unity.
@FMF
Psalm 133:1. “How good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell together in unity!”
1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
2 Co ...[text shortened]... nd the God of love and of peace will be with you.
Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism
And what is it with Christian women and why are they always so damn snippy?
23 Jun 21
@eladar saidNonsense. The "group" here is a number of people with a range of views and beliefs. The nature, coherence, implications, applicability and morality of our beliefs can and should be discussed on a forum like this.
Unless you are doing a document study, it is laughable for those outside the group discussing what members of the other group believes is laughable.
23 Jun 21
@eladar saidYou're a bit out of your normal koi pond depth here.
Unless you are doing a document study, it is laughable for those outside the group discussing what members of the other group believes is laughable.
The fact that the same questions are asked over and over again without resolution and the same people talking about it is beyond laughable.
23 Jun 21
@kevin-eleven saidYou must be referring to "Karens" here, no doubt. We're not all like that, not at all.
May brothers live together, hugging and cuddling without hanky-panky, and may they wash their socks and undies in the same load of laundry, and wear each others' socks and undies without fear but in brotherly unity.
And what is it with Christian women and why are they always so damn snippy?