03 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsGo back and re read the links I posted. You obviously didn't.
The Holy Bible mentions sprinkling with water. It does not say anything
about dunking or immersion. Have you ever heard of Jews doing any
dunking or immersion of their people. Don't forget that John the Baptist
was Jewish and so was Jesus. Go to a Jewish synagogue and ask if they
ever immerse their people under water. (They might do it today, I am
...[text shortened]... This is only assumed.
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/sprinkling.htm
04 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75This does not say He was under the water. The wikipedia article makes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism
I also showed you scriptures where it stated that "When Jesus came UP out of the water, God's spirt came down....."
You must have missed those too?
some assumptions and may also be talking about some early gentile
baptisms after the time of Christ, no proof. And notice the painting of
the baptism with the one being baptized kneeling in the water with
the water being sprinkled over him. He would have to get up to come
out of the water. And one of the footnotes says the following:
"In the early centuries baptism was usually by immersion. However, this need not have meant full submersion in the water. Early Christian mosaics portray persons kneeling or standing in the baptismal pool with water being poured over them" (Presbyterian Church (USA), Holy Baptism; and, Services for the Renewal of Baptism: The Worship of God (Westminster Press 1985 ISBN 0-664-24647-8), p. 54).
In light of what the Lord God said to the House of Israel in Ezekiel 36:24-25,
"For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring
you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will
be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols."
I vote for sprinkling.
04 Oct 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsWell YES it does but believe what you want. And your quoting from the old testiment. But when Jesus came to earth and established Christianity, many things changed and the procedure for baptism became a symbolism for dying and being resurrected. If one were to only get sprinkled with water instead of completly being under it, then one would not symbolise a complete death and resurrection as Jesus did.
This does not say He was under the water. The wikipedia article makes
some assumptions and may also be talking about some early gentile
baptisms after the time of Christ, no proof. And notice the painting of
the baptism with the one being baptized kneeling in the water with
the water being sprinkled over him. He would have to get up to come
out of the ill cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols."
I vote for sprinkling.
"The Greek baptisma refers to the process of immersion, including submersion and emergence; it is derived from the verb bapto, meaning “dip.” (Joh 13:26) In the Bible, “to baptize” is the same as “to immerse.” In illustration of this, The Holy Bible, An Improved Edition, renders Romans 6:3, 4 as follows: “Or, are ye ignorant, that all we who were baptized (immersed) into Christ Jesus were baptized (immersed) into his death? We were buried therefore with him through our baptism (immersion) into his death.” (See also Ro; ED.) The Greek Septuagint uses a form of the same word for “dip” at Exodus 12:22 and Leviticus 4:6. (See NW ftns.) When one is immersed in water, one is temporarily “buried” out of sight and then lifted out."
Sorry friend but your wrong, completly, and don't have the correct understanding of what baptism symbolizes.
You need to get out of the dark and old teachings of your church and learn the truth.
04 Oct 11
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Originally posted by galveston75In the tabernacle and temple rituals the blood was sprinkled.
Well YES it does but believe what you want. And your quoting from the old testiment. But when Jesus came to earth and established Christianity, many things changed and the procedure for baptism became a symbolism for dying and being resurrected. If one were to only get sprinkled with water instead of completly being under it, then one would not symbolis izes.
You need to get out of the dark and old teachings of your church and learn the truth.
But this is a minor issue. The Trinity of God and the Deity of
Christ is much more important. Baptism in water is not a
requirement for salvation, anyway.
04 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsOh..really bad mistake to think that way. It in itself does not save but it's a very important step to take in that direction and to show ones dedication to serve God.
In the tabernacle and temple rituals the blood was sprinkled.
But this is a minor issue. The Trinity of God and the Deity of
Christ is much more important. Baptism in water is not a
requirement for salvation, anyway.
04 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75True, but only as a testamony to others. Water baptism has no saving
Oh..really bad mistake to think that way. It in itself does not save but it's a very important step to take in that direction and to show ones dedication to serve God.
power. It is baptism by the Holy Spirit that is necessary.
04 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75It is man that has established the different ways of baptism over the years.
Well YES it does but believe what you want. And your quoting from the old testiment. But when Jesus came to earth and established Christianity, many things changed and the procedure for baptism became a symbolism for dying and being resurrected. If one were to only get sprinkled with water instead of completly being under it, then one would not symbolis ...[text shortened]... izes.
You need to get out of the dark and old teachings of your church and learn the truth.
06 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI would think as enlightend as you seem to tell us that you would know that God is very exact and demanding of his laws and ways and directions such as the righr procedure for baptism. It is Satan and man that has made his laws obsolete and not semingly important anymore.
I did not say anything about a right or wrong way to be baptized or
about lack of inspiration by God. You are trying to make a
mountain out of a mole hill.
You better MAKE SURE.
06 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75Where is this Law of God that says a person has to be baptized by water
I would think as enlightend as you seem to tell us that you would know that God is very exact and demanding of his laws and ways and directions such as the righr procedure for baptism. It is Satan and man that has made his laws obsolete and not semingly important anymore.
You better MAKE SURE.
in a certain way to be saved?
06 Oct 11
In answer to the original post, I would like to give additional support in what was so great about Jesus.
The ancient days comprised a person's attire which included feet bound in Bethlehemic leaf. This was immensely uncomfortable.
A new teacher arrived, wearing the patented name 'Jesus boots', known to modern day man as 'sandals'.
Jesus was a great marketing analyst, and soon to be born was an unknown shoemaker, in a back street with a single last. This shoemaker was beknown as 'Clark', and demand for his 'Jesus boots' became huge, as all the followers of the marketing expert tooketh heed to be like Jesus.
Before long all were wearing the new attire, and leafed shoes were disregarded.
Jesus shook the roots of the taxmen, who wanted a share of this new phenomenon, and they quietly went their own way.
So lo and behold a company named Clark's shoes was born and until this day it comforts the feet of followers, and leaves are now purely for eating in Campbell's soup. The Apostle Campbell is another story. 😀
-m. 😉