Originally posted by galveston75Did God's "ways" or "laws" or "principles" change with regard to slavery, owning slaves and how to treat slaves? You stated that "[God's] ways do not change and neither do his laws and principles change." Does this assertion of yours hold true for God's attitude towards slavery and His explicit instructions? There is still slavery today in 2013. Does God endorse it as long as it complies with OT "principles"? Or have God's "laws" and "principles" - indeed His "ways" - changed in this regard?
Now for example did God's laws in the original 10 commandments change on the "do not kill law"? Nope it hasn't. How about "do not steal"? Nope, how about all the rest? Nope.
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Originally posted by SuzianneThe "credibility problem" I perceive with Revelation was one of the reasons why I started to question the Christian claims that God had revealed Himself to them. And it is therefore one of the reasons why I am no longer a Christian, after a 28 year long stint. So you've got it exactly the wrong way round - the cart before the horse - Suzianne.
It's only a "credibility problem" if you do not believe in God.
12 Jan 13
Originally posted by finneganGood points.
If God was literally unchanging, of course, there would be nothing to observe and no interaction would be possible. The Gnostics addressed that problem more directly than the Christians. But for Christians, God has done plenty of changing. The Old and New Testament are filled with changes, which the devout have taken to explaining as a gradually unfoldin ...[text shortened]... iance to the Christians apparently). So it would seem that in a changing world, God changes too.
The dispensationalist sees an unchanging God with changing administrations
policies, procedures, etc.
for the different erasages
of man's history.
Despite the particulars, the specifics of salvation have remained the same since the Fall in the Garden, i.e., believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Those in the past looked forward to His appearance
beginning with the curse on the serpent and the promise to the woman as they were being ushered out of the Garden: Genesis 3:15
while those who live after His work look back on the same.12 Jan 13
Originally posted by FMFI don't recall the specifics of Revelations with respect to incredulity on the level of the reference to Manuscript Found.
It's been discussed here countless times so you know what the credibility problem is, even if you don't agree.
Your comment makes it sound as though you're suggesting the last book of the Bible was plagiarized.
12 Jan 13
Originally posted by FMFIf you do not trust in God, then you do not believe in God in the first place. This is the "weak faith" that many so-called Christians today have.
The "credibility problem" I perceive with Revelation was one of the reasons why I started to question the Christian claims that God had revealed Himself to them. And it is therefore one of the reasons why I am no longer a Christian, after a 28 year long stint. So you've got it exactly the wrong way round - the cart before the horse - Suzianne.
I do have the cause and effect in order. If you do not believe God, then you never really believed in God in the first place.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHI think he's rather suggesting that the Book of Revelation is a gigantic fairy tale on the order of The Wizard of Oz.
I don't recall the specifics of Revelations with respect to incredulity on the level of the reference to Manuscript Found.
Your comment makes it sound as though you're suggesting the last book of the Bible was plagiarized.
12 Jan 13
Originally posted by SuzianneWhich is a different tack than out-right plagiarism as a basis for rejection, but the difficulty of interpretation should not dictate relevance.
I think he's rather suggesting that the Book of Revelation is a gigantic fairy tale on the order of The Wizard of Oz.
If that were the case, the red-letter passages would never see the light of day!
12 Jan 13
Originally posted by SuzianneIt's all moot, Suzianne. So you can just tell yourself whatever you want to or need to.
If you do not trust in God, then you do not believe in God in the first place. This is the "weak faith" that many so-called Christians today have.
I do have the cause and effect in order. If you do not believe God, then you never really believed in God in the first place.
I do not believe that God has revealed Himself to you.